New TV aerial question

[Scott]

I have moved house and I need a new TV aerial as there is none here.
The transmitter is Blackhill . As far as I can see, channels in use
are 40-47 (ignoring local TV on channel 30, of no interest). To my way
of thinking, I should get a group B aerial (35-53) but I am reading
that group K (21-48) is the 'new wideband'.

The person I spoke to at the installer did not seem to know what a
group B aerial was, but said the engineer would advise me. He also
said they could usually do the install on the same day. My expectation
is that they will turn up with a group K in the van and try to
persuade me to accept it.

Is there a big difference now that wide band is not as wide as it once
was? Also, I am hoping to run two TVs off one aerial with no
amplifier. Does this make a difference to the choice of aerial? Any
advice appreciated.

[Mark Carver]

Post by Scott
I have moved house and I need a new TV aerial as there is none here.
The transmitter is Blackhill . As far as I can see, channels in use
are 40-47 (ignoring local TV on channel 30, of no interest). To my way
of thinking, I should get a group B aerial (35-53) but I am reading
that group K (21-48) is the 'new wideband'.
The person I spoke to at the installer did not seem to know what a
group B aerial was, but said the engineer would advise me. He also
said they could usually do the install on the same day. My expectation
is that they will turn up with a group K in the van and try to
persuade me to accept it.
Is there a big difference now that wide band is not as wide as it once
was? Also, I am hoping to run two TVs off one aerial with no
amplifier. Does this make a difference to the choice of aerial? Any
advice appreciated.

Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether) and it's possible that future shrinkage schemes
will require moving some transmissions down into 'Group A' in old money
(21-37)

As for whether the aerial will provide enough un amplified signal to be
split is impossible to determine with the information provided. The
installer will need to measure the strength, and go from there.

[Woody]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
I have moved house and I need a new TV aerial as there is none here.
The transmitter is Blackhill . As far as I can see, channels in use
are 40-47 (ignoring local TV on channel 30, of no interest). To my way
of thinking, I should get a group B aerial (35-53) but I am reading
that group K (21-48) is the 'new wideband'.
The person I spoke to at the installer did not seem to know what a
group B aerial was, but said the engineer would advise me. He also
said they could usually do the install on the same day. My expectation
is that they will turn up with a group K in the van and try to
persuade me to accept it.
Is there a big difference now that wide band is not as wide as it once
was? Also, I am hoping to run two TVs off one aerial with no
amplifier. Does this make a difference to the choice of aerial? Any
advice appreciated.

Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether) and it's possible that future shrinkage schemes
will require moving some transmissions down into 'Group A' in old money
(21-37)
As for whether the aerial will provide enough un amplified signal to be
split is impossible to determine with the information provided. The
installer will need to measure the strength, and go from there.

Whilst I would in general agree with Mark, one other suggestion - a log
periodic. These are wideband with the gain generally rising as it gets
into the 40's, has a high front-to-back ratio so will help reduce
possible RFI or CCI, and they have a relatively low wind loading
compared against a typical wideband multibeam.

Our (part stainless steel) aerial of about 10-12 years vintage suddenly
packed up one morning about six months ago. Weather not good so went in
the loft and grabbed a spare Labgear wideband multibeam, connected it
up, and rested it on a roll of loft insulation. Worked a treat. About
six weeks ago we go a bit of pixelation (very wet at the time) so I dug
out a log periodic (the double element variety) and fixed that up on a
pole in the roof: worked even better.

We are 28 miles on a fractionally obstructed path from Emley, and the
aerial feeds a Proception* (Blakes of Sheffield) 4-port (metal encased)
amp with 9dB/port gain. I don't know where the OP resides in the land of
the Black Hill, but I hope this will help him make the right decision of
how to fix his issues.
*The Proception amp was used as it has a linear power supply so will not
have SMPS RFI. It also has an internal Airwave notch and a 4G low-pass
filter which seem to be very effective.

[Jeff Layman]

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

[charles]

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

[Jeff Layman]

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

That seems to tie in partly with a recent article at
<https://www.ibc.org/features/dtt-and-wireless-mics-win-out-at-wrc23/10647.article>:

"DTT Across Europe – a Mixed Picture

The debate over the future of DTT in the face of streaming, IPTV and
mobile video services continues to be had in Europe. Switzerland has
already shut its DTT network and Finland is considering following suit
but countries like the UK still have a large viewership for the
platform, particularly among the older generation. Consequently the UK
government has agreed licence renewals for DTT until at least 2034, with
the Broadcast 2040+ campaign, as its name suggests, looking to extend
that further."

So it's at least 2034, perhaps as long as 2040.

[Scott]

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

That seems to tie in partly with a recent article at
"DTT Across Europe – a Mixed Picture
The debate over the future of DTT in the face of streaming, IPTV and
mobile video services continues to be had in Europe. Switzerland has
already shut its DTT network and Finland is considering following suit
but countries like the UK still have a large viewership for the
platform, particularly among the older generation. Consequently the UK
government has agreed licence renewals for DTT until at least 2034, with
the Broadcast 2040+ campaign, as its name suggests, looking to extend
that further."
So it's at least 2034, perhaps as long as 2040.

But this is the sunset date for DTT. I think the point Mark was making
was that the number of channels dedicated to broadcasting may be
reduced before then.

[SH]

Post by Scott

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

That seems to tie in partly with a recent article at
"DTT Across Europe – a Mixed Picture
The debate over the future of DTT in the face of streaming, IPTV and
mobile video services continues to be had in Europe. Switzerland has
already shut its DTT network and Finland is considering following suit
but countries like the UK still have a large viewership for the
platform, particularly among the older generation. Consequently the UK
government has agreed licence renewals for DTT until at least 2034, with
the Broadcast 2040+ campaign, as its name suggests, looking to extend
that further."
So it's at least 2034, perhaps as long as 2040.

But this is the sunset date for DTT. I think the point Mark was making
was that the number of channels dedicated to broadcasting may be
reduced before then.

an obvious "quick win" is to have 3 national SFNs for SDN, ARQ A and ARQ B

Another is to end the simulcasting of HD and SD channels to release a
multiplex.

Another is do do aaway with the BBC and ITV regions to permit national
PSB channels so the PSB1, PSB2 and PSB3 become a SFN.

[Scott]

Post by SH

Post by Scott

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

That seems to tie in partly with a recent article at
"DTT Across Europe – a Mixed Picture
The debate over the future of DTT in the face of streaming, IPTV and
mobile video services continues to be had in Europe. Switzerland has
already shut its DTT network and Finland is considering following suit
but countries like the UK still have a large viewership for the
platform, particularly among the older generation. Consequently the UK
government has agreed licence renewals for DTT until at least 2034, with
the Broadcast 2040+ campaign, as its name suggests, looking to extend
that further."
So it's at least 2034, perhaps as long as 2040.

But this is the sunset date for DTT. I think the point Mark was making
was that the number of channels dedicated to broadcasting may be
reduced before then.

an obvious "quick win" is to have 3 national SFNs for SDN, ARQ A and ARQ B
Another is to end the simulcasting of HD and SD channels to release a
multiplex.
Another is do do aaway with the BBC and ITV regions to permit national
PSB channels so the PSB1, PSB2 and PSB3 become a SFN.

I don't know how that would go down in the southern landmass of the UK
but here is Scotland it would go down spectacularly badly.

[Brian Gregory]

Post by SH
Another is do do aaway with the BBC and ITV regions to permit national
PSB channels so the PSB1, PSB2 and PSB3 become a SFN.

As I understand it SFNs don't work very well even with DVB-T2. The
symbol rate is still too high for the typical distances between our
transmitters.

[Mark Carver]

Post by Brian Gregory

Post by SH
Another is do do aaway with the BBC and ITV regions to permit national
PSB channels so the PSB1, PSB2 and PSB3 become a SFN.

As I understand it SFNs don't work very well even with DVB-T2. The
symbol rate is still too high for the typical distances between our
transmitters.

Indeed, keeping everything else equal, you have to reduce the payload,
to increase that geographical separation.

[Jeff Layman]

Post by Scott

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

That seems to tie in partly with a recent article at
"DTT Across Europe – a Mixed Picture
The debate over the future of DTT in the face of streaming, IPTV and
mobile video services continues to be had in Europe. Switzerland has
already shut its DTT network and Finland is considering following suit
but countries like the UK still have a large viewership for the
platform, particularly among the older generation. Consequently the UK
government has agreed licence renewals for DTT until at least 2034, with
the Broadcast 2040+ campaign, as its name suggests, looking to extend
that further."
So it's at least 2034, perhaps as long as 2040.

But this is the sunset date for DTT. I think the point Mark was making
was that the number of channels dedicated to broadcasting may be
reduced before then.

Official info here:
<https://www.gov.uk/government/news/future-of-channels-such-as-itv2-and-dave-secured-as-freeview-licences-renewed-for-another-decade>

Of course, there will be at least a couple of general elections before
then, so things might change.

[tony sayer]

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

It'll come by "Landline" AKA the Internet like sky is already doing..

[Woody]

Post by tony sayer

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

It'll come by "Landline" AKA the Internet like sky is already doing..

I've just had a short stay in the local hospital which was rather
enlightening.
I was put on a newly refurbished ward (they are doing renewal work after
the discovery of the concrete problem) and said ward has no radios and
no TVs BUT it does have a very good FREE wifi - supposedly 72Mb but
Speedtest wouldn't show more than about 5Mb! - that was rock solid and
reliable. Got SWMBO to bring my tablet in and used that as TV -
brilliant! Phone coverage was a bit variable depending on provider (my
O2 was quite good but VF and EE were rubbish) but phone over wi-fi
worked as good as any landline, especially it seems on VF.
Is that the future.....?

[Scott]

Post by tony sayer

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

It'll come by "Landline" AKA the Internet like sky is already doing..

My original point as OP was that my so-called Smart TV cannot receive
STV or Channel four as live streams.

[tony sayer]

Post by Scott

Post by tony sayer

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

It'll come by "Landline" AKA the Internet like sky is already doing..

My original point as OP was that my so-called Smart TV cannot receive
STV or Channel four as live streams.

Prolly need to smarten up a bit;)...

[Scott]

Post by tony sayer

Post by Scott

Post by tony sayer

Post by charles

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether).

Is that a certainty, and, if so, when?

Someone who I was talking to yesterday thought that the middle of the next
decade.

It'll come by "Landline" AKA the Internet like sky is already doing..

My original point as OP was that my so-called Smart TV cannot receive
STV or Channel four as live streams.

Prolly need to smarten up a bit;)...

This was my recommendation to customer service.

[Scott]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
I have moved house and I need a new TV aerial as there is none here.
The transmitter is Blackhill . As far as I can see, channels in use
are 40-47 (ignoring local TV on channel 30, of no interest). To my way
of thinking, I should get a group B aerial (35-53) but I am reading
that group K (21-48) is the 'new wideband'.
The person I spoke to at the installer did not seem to know what a
group B aerial was, but said the engineer would advise me. He also
said they could usually do the install on the same day. My expectation
is that they will turn up with a group K in the van and try to
persuade me to accept it.
Is there a big difference now that wide band is not as wide as it once
was? Also, I am hoping to run two TVs off one aerial with no
amplifier. Does this make a difference to the choice of aerial? Any
advice appreciated.

Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether) and it's possible that future shrinkage schemes
will require moving some transmissions down into 'Group A' in old money
(21-37)
As for whether the aerial will provide enough un amplified signal to be
split is impossible to determine with the information provided. The
installer will need to measure the strength, and go from there.

Thanks for that. I have an installer coming round on Monday. I wanted
a basic idea about options before he or she arrives. For completeness,
what do you think of log periodic (as suggested by Woody)?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Scott

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
I have moved house and I need a new TV aerial as there is none here.
The transmitter is Blackhill . As far as I can see, channels in use
are 40-47 (ignoring local TV on channel 30, of no interest). To my way
of thinking, I should get a group B aerial (35-53) but I am reading
that group K (21-48) is the 'new wideband'.
The person I spoke to at the installer did not seem to know what a
group B aerial was, but said the engineer would advise me. He also
said they could usually do the install on the same day. My expectation
is that they will turn up with a group K in the van and try to
persuade me to accept it.
Is there a big difference now that wide band is not as wide as it once
was? Also, I am hoping to run two TVs off one aerial with no
amplifier. Does this make a difference to the choice of aerial? Any
advice appreciated.

Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether) and it's possible that future shrinkage schemes
will require moving some transmissions down into 'Group A' in old money
(21-37)
As for whether the aerial will provide enough un amplified signal to be
split is impossible to determine with the information provided. The
installer will need to measure the strength, and go from there.

Thanks for that. I have an installer coming round on Monday. I wanted
a basic idea about options before he or she arrives. For completeness,
what do you think of log periodic (as suggested by Woody)?

I use a 28 element logP, this one

<https://cpc.farnell.com/blake-uk/bla-lp28t/28-element-log-periodic-aerial/dp/AP03351>

In the loft no less too, it does the job (for me). That's a Group T
(21-60) but as discussed, now the UHF TV band stops at Ch 48, then Group
K is the way forward.....

[Woody]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
I have moved house and I need a new TV aerial as there is none here.
The transmitter is Blackhill . As far as I can see, channels in use
are 40-47 (ignoring local TV on channel 30, of no interest). To my way
of thinking, I should get a group B aerial (35-53) but I am reading
that group K (21-48) is the 'new wideband'.
The person I spoke to at the installer did not seem to know what a
group B aerial was, but said the engineer would advise me. He also
said they could usually do the install on the same day. My expectation
is that they will turn up with a group K in the van and try to
persuade me to accept it.
Is there a big difference now that wide band is not as wide as it once
was? Also, I am hoping to run two TVs off one aerial with no
amplifier. Does this make a difference to the choice of aerial? Any
advice appreciated.

Get a Group K, the UHF TV band is only going to get smaller (before it
vanishes altogether) and it's possible that future shrinkage schemes
will require moving some transmissions down into 'Group A' in old money
(21-37)
As for whether the aerial will provide enough un amplified signal to be
split is impossible to determine with the information provided. The
installer will need to measure the strength, and go from there.

Thanks for that. I have an installer coming round on Monday. I wanted
a basic idea about options before he or she arrives. For completeness,
what do you think of log periodic (as suggested by Woody)?

I use a 28 element logP, this one
<https://cpc.farnell.com/blake-uk/bla-lp28t/28-element-log-periodic-aerial/dp/AP03351>
In the loft no less too, it does the job (for me). That's a Group T
(21-60) but as discussed, now the UHF TV band stops at Ch 48, then Group
K is the way forward.....

+1
I used a BLA-LP56K from blake-uk.co.uk)and it works superbly inside.

[alan_m]

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
In the loft no less too, it does the job (for me). That's a Group T
(21-60) but as discussed, now the UHF TV band stops at Ch 48, then
Group K is the way forward.....

+1
I used a BLA-LP56K from blake-uk.co.uk)and it works superbly inside.

I too have loft mounted Blake 28 element log periodic and apart from a
occasional problem during VERY heavy rain storms it generality works well.
19 miles from the transmitter which transmits at 20kW

The advantage with a log periodic in a loft is that it is compact and
can fit in tight spaces between roof trusses. With the mounting pole
being at one end of the boom and with no large reflector it can be
installer higher up in a loft compared to some other aerial designs.

[Scott]

Post by alan_m

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
In the loft no less too, it does the job (for me). That's a Group T
(21-60) but as discussed, now the UHF TV band stops at Ch 48, then
Group K is the way forward.....

+1
I used a BLA-LP56K from blake-uk.co.uk)and it works superbly inside.

I too have loft mounted Blake 28 element log periodic and apart from a
occasional problem during VERY heavy rain storms it generality works well.
19 miles from the transmitter which transmits at 20kW
The advantage with a log periodic in a loft is that it is compact and
can fit in tight spaces between roof trusses. With the mounting pole
being at one end of the boom and with no large reflector it can be
installer higher up in a loft compared to some other aerial designs.

If it's outside, does the advantage lie with Team Yagi or am I
misunderstanding this?

[Woody]

Post by Scott

Post by alan_m

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
In the loft no less too, it does the job (for me). That's a Group T
(21-60) but as discussed, now the UHF TV band stops at Ch 48, then
Group K is the way forward.....

+1
I used a BLA-LP56K from blake-uk.co.uk)and it works superbly inside.

I too have loft mounted Blake 28 element log periodic and apart from a
occasional problem during VERY heavy rain storms it generality works well.
19 miles from the transmitter which transmits at 20kW
The advantage with a log periodic in a loft is that it is compact and
can fit in tight spaces between roof trusses. With the mounting pole
being at one end of the boom and with no large reflector it can be
installer higher up in a loft compared to some other aerial designs.

If it's outside, does the advantage lie with Team Yagi or am I
misunderstanding this?

A LP will often if not always do a better job then many multibeams or
even straight yagis. They have advantages over more 'normal' aerials as
they have a better front/back ratio, are less sensitive to broadside
signals, and have a flatter gain characteristic, i.e. they are a better
wideband unit than almost any banded unit. Have a look at
https://tinyurl.com/326sehps
where they explain how all aerials work and (on this page) log periodics.

[SH]

Post by Woody

Post by Scott

Post by alan_m

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
In the loft no less too, it does the job (for me). That's a Group T
(21-60) but as discussed, now the UHF TV band stops at Ch 48, then
Group K is the way forward.....

+1
I used a BLA-LP56K from blake-uk.co.uk)and it works superbly inside.

I too have loft mounted Blake 28 element log periodic and apart from a
occasional problem during VERY heavy rain storms it generality works well.
19 miles from the transmitter which transmits at 20kW
The advantage with a log periodic in a loft is that it is compact and
can fit in tight spaces between roof trusses. With the mounting pole
being at one end of the boom and with no large reflector it can be
installer higher up in a loft compared to some other aerial designs.

If it's outside, does the advantage lie with Team Yagi or am I
misunderstanding this?

A LP will often if not always do a better job then many multibeams or
even straight yagis. They have advantages over more 'normal' aerials as
they have a better front/back ratio, are less sensitive to broadside
signals, and have a flatter gain characteristic, i.e. they are a better
wideband unit than almost any banded unit. Have a look at
https://tinyurl.com/326sehps
where they explain how all aerials work and (on this page) log periodics.

and if signals are marginal you could set up two log periodics as a
phased array using 2 identical lengths of co-ax feeding a T combiner.

[tony sayer]

Post by Woody

Post by Scott

Post by alan_m

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
In the loft no less too, it does the job (for me). That's a Group T
(21-60) but as discussed, now the UHF TV band stops at Ch 48, then
Group K is the way forward.....

+1
I used a BLA-LP56K from blake-uk.co.uk)and it works superbly inside.

I too have loft mounted Blake 28 element log periodic and apart from a
occasional problem during VERY heavy rain storms it generality works well.
19 miles from the transmitter which transmits at 20kW
The advantage with a log periodic in a loft is that it is compact and
can fit in tight spaces between roof trusses. With the mounting pole
being at one end of the boom and with no large reflector it can be
installer higher up in a loft compared to some other aerial designs.

If it's outside, does the advantage lie with Team Yagi or am I
misunderstanding this?

A LP will often if not always do a better job then many multibeams or
even straight yagis. They have advantages over more 'normal' aerials as
they have a better front/back ratio, are less sensitive to broadside
signals, and have a flatter gain characteristic, i.e. they are a better
wideband unit than almost any banded unit. Have a look at
https://tinyurl.com/326sehps
where they explain how all aerials work and (on this page) log periodics.

In fact you'll find them widely used in repeater relay stations that
flat bandwidth is useful in such applications!..

[charles]

Post by Scott

Post by alan_m

Post by Mark Carver
In the loft no less too, it does the job (for me). That's a Group T
(21-60) but as discussed, now the UHF TV band stops at Ch 48, then
Group K is the way forward.....

+1 I used a BLA-LP56K from blake-uk.co.uk)and it works superbly inside.

I too have loft mounted Blake 28 element log periodic and apart from a
occasional problem during VERY heavy rain storms it generality works
well. 19 miles from the transmitter which transmits at 20kW
The advantage with a log periodic in a loft is that it is compact and
can fit in tight spaces between roof trusses. With the mounting pole
being at one end of the boom and with no large reflector it can be
installer higher up in a loft compared to some other aerial designs.

If it's outside, does the advantage lie with Team Yagi or am I
misunderstanding this?

It all depends. Logs are very good at rejecting unwanted signals from the
back, but have quite a wide front lobe. Yagis tend to have a narrow front
lobe but random ones at the back. How this affects digiatl signals, I
wouldn't be sure.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Mark Carver
I use a 28 element logP, this one
<https://cpc.farnell.com/blake-uk/bla-lp28t/28-element-log-periodic-aerial/dp/AP03351>

After the demise of the steel bracket on my previous Blake LP, I picked
up that same one from screwstation, it didn't take me long to realise I
was no longer keen to shin-up onto the roof!

Post by Mark Carver
In the loft no less too, it does the job (for me).

Due to laziness, mine is sitting on top of a bookshelf upstairs, the
only thing I don't get, that the previous one did get, is the Nottingham
local mux which isn't intended to be available in Leicester anyway. But
my TVHeadend box also has satellite.

[Scott]

Any comment on this, found during research?

"XXX began installing aerials in 2006, and have continued ever since.
The firm maintains the company culture centered around the innovation
of digital technology. Primarily to give our clients the highest
digital service on the market.

"It should be noted, current aerials will be able to collect digital
TV to some extent. However, they were constructed for correspondent
signals. So there will be a difference in the quality of the picture.
Especially with ancient systems. Also, old aerials would have been
fitted to pick up limited variety of signals. Hence, they would be at
the local analogue receiver.

"Additionally, Analogue equipment corrupts over time. Yet is not
visible with the analogue signals. Because the image also worsens
gradually.

"However, with digital picture, it stays the same up until it achieves
a crucial juncture. Then the image suspends or disappears entirely. If
necessary, a new aerial system is constructed exclusively to enhance
digital communications.

"Furthermore, High gain aerials, of a big size, will enhance image
excellence. Even in areas of low reception. Therefore, preventing
digital disintegration. Therefore boosting the number of stations that
can be obtained."

[Woody]

Post by Scott
Any comment on this, found during research?
"XXX began installing aerials in 2006, and have continued ever since.
The firm maintains the company culture centered around the innovation
of digital technology. Primarily to give our clients the highest
digital service on the market.
"It should be noted, current aerials will be able to collect digital
TV to some extent. However, they were constructed for correspondent
signals. So there will be a difference in the quality of the picture.
Especially with ancient systems. Also, old aerials would have been
fitted to pick up limited variety of signals. Hence, they would be at
the local analogue receiver.
"Additionally, Analogue equipment corrupts over time. Yet is not
visible with the analogue signals. Because the image also worsens
gradually.
"However, with digital picture, it stays the same up until it achieves
a crucial juncture. Then the image suspends or disappears entirely. If
necessary, a new aerial system is constructed exclusively to enhance
digital communications.
"Furthermore, High gain aerials, of a big size, will enhance image
excellence. Even in areas of low reception. Therefore, preventing
digital disintegration. Therefore boosting the number of stations that
can be obtained."

The biggest load of blx I have ever read.

Where's Bill when you need hm.......

[Tweed]

Post by Woody

Post by Scott
Any comment on this, found during research?
"XXX began installing aerials in 2006, and have continued ever since.
The firm maintains the company culture centered around the innovation
of digital technology. Primarily to give our clients the highest
digital service on the market.
"It should be noted, current aerials will be able to collect digital
TV to some extent. However, they were constructed for correspondent
signals. So there will be a difference in the quality of the picture.
Especially with ancient systems. Also, old aerials would have been
fitted to pick up limited variety of signals. Hence, they would be at
the local analogue receiver.
"Additionally, Analogue equipment corrupts over time. Yet is not
visible with the analogue signals. Because the image also worsens
gradually.
"However, with digital picture, it stays the same up until it achieves
a crucial juncture. Then the image suspends or disappears entirely. If
necessary, a new aerial system is constructed exclusively to enhance
digital communications.
"Furthermore, High gain aerials, of a big size, will enhance image
excellence. Even in areas of low reception. Therefore, preventing
digital disintegration. Therefore boosting the number of stations that
can be obtained."

The biggest load of blx I have ever read.
Where's Bill when you need hm.......

Looks like the output of ChatGPT after it’s been on a night on the town.

[Scott]

Post by Woody

Post by Scott
Any comment on this, found during research?
"XXX began installing aerials in 2006, and have continued ever since.
The firm maintains the company culture centered around the innovation
of digital technology. Primarily to give our clients the highest
digital service on the market.
"It should be noted, current aerials will be able to collect digital
TV to some extent. However, they were constructed for correspondent
signals. So there will be a difference in the quality of the picture.
Especially with ancient systems. Also, old aerials would have been
fitted to pick up limited variety of signals. Hence, they would be at
the local analogue receiver.
"Additionally, Analogue equipment corrupts over time. Yet is not
visible with the analogue signals. Because the image also worsens
gradually.
"However, with digital picture, it stays the same up until it achieves
a crucial juncture. Then the image suspends or disappears entirely. If
necessary, a new aerial system is constructed exclusively to enhance
digital communications.
"Furthermore, High gain aerials, of a big size, will enhance image
excellence. Even in areas of low reception. Therefore, preventing
digital disintegration. Therefore boosting the number of stations that
can be obtained."

The biggest load of blx I have ever read.
Where's Bill when you need hm.......

That's what I thought as I disqualified them from the tender list.

[Graham.]

Mike Harris Aerial & Satellite is a trading name of Aerial
Services Scotland Ltd | Unit 1, 3 Bowerwalls Place, Barrhead, G78
1BF.

Registered Company No: SC296435

[Scott]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 13:34:31 +0000 (GMT+00:00), "Graham. "

Post by Graham.
Mike Harris Aerial & Satellite is a trading name of Aerial
Services Scotland Ltd | Unit 1, 3 Bowerwalls Place, Barrhead, G78
1BF.
Registered Company No: SC296435

I redacted this detail to protect the guilty :-)

[SH]

Post by Scott
Any comment on this, found during research?
"XXX began installing aerials in 2006, and have continued ever since.
The firm maintains the company culture centered around the innovation
of digital technology. Primarily to give our clients the highest
digital service on the market.
"It should be noted, current aerials will be able to collect digital
TV to some extent. However, they were constructed for correspondent
signals. So there will be a difference in the quality of the picture.
Especially with ancient systems. Also, old aerials would have been
fitted to pick up limited variety of signals. Hence, they would be at
the local analogue receiver.
"Additionally, Analogue equipment corrupts over time. Yet is not
visible with the analogue signals. Because the image also worsens
gradually.
"However, with digital picture, it stays the same up until it achieves
a crucial juncture. Then the image suspends or disappears entirely. If
necessary, a new aerial system is constructed exclusively to enhance
digital communications.
"Furthermore, High gain aerials, of a big size, will enhance image
excellence. Even in areas of low reception. Therefore, preventing
digital disintegration. Therefore boosting the number of stations that
can be obtained."

This is a ChatGPT response!