Text oddity on Ch7

[Jeff Layman]

In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
appear in other regions Ch7?

I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

[James Heaton]

Post by Jeff Layman
In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
appear in other regions Ch7?
I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

Just tried on Ch7 Tacolneston and got what I presume is the same

2 groups of text which were largely meaningless to me but looked like
some sort of code

James

[Davey]

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 20:20:36 +0100

Post by James Heaton

Post by Jeff Layman
In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some
odd wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed
to be some status report (can Mark help with what the wording
means?). Does it appear in other regions Ch7?
I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

Just tried on Ch7 Tacolneston and got what I presume is the same
2 groups of text which were largely meaningless to me but looked like
some sort of code
James

So that's how the Russians and Chinese keep in contact with their
agents!
I'll try Tacolneston later, when I've got my drink in hand.

[Brian Gaff]

Maybe its a code internal to tvs that tells which ones have updates to
download?
Here it goes fron 6 to 8, which is the local tv, which really these days
seems to be showing old dramas and the odd bit of news. What happened to
local current affairs we were promised?
Brian
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Post by Davey
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 20:20:36 +0100

Post by James Heaton

Post by Jeff Layman
In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some
odd wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed
to be some status report (can Mark help with what the wording
means?). Does it appear in other regions Ch7?
I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

Just tried on Ch7 Tacolneston and got what I presume is the same
2 groups of text which were largely meaningless to me but looked like
some sort of code
James

So that's how the Russians and Chinese keep in contact with their
agents!
I'll try Tacolneston later, when I've got my drink in hand.
--
Davey.

[Mark Carver]

Post by Jeff Layman
In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
appear in other regions Ch7?
I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

Oooh, I've just taken a look. It's weird, it seems to be the TV's make
and model (I get SAM(sung)...... and U4E9MU700) with the DVB SID number.

On my LG telly, I get nothing, just 'No Service Available'

Ummmm................

[Jeff Layman]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Jeff Layman
In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
appear in other regions Ch7?
I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

Oooh, I've just taken a look. It's weird, it seems to be the TV's make
and model (I get SAM(sung)...... and U4E9MU700) with the DVB SID number.
On my LG telly, I get nothing, just 'No Service Available'
Ummmm................

With my Panasonic I get:
v1.5.9C
PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
+
SID: 32851
WAI:
PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D

Nothing there tallies with Device or System Information, or the current
software version in the Panny's menu (I don't know how to get the SID
number of the TV if it has one).

[Mark Carver]

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Jeff Layman
In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
appear in other regions Ch7?
I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

Oooh, I've just taken a look. It's weird, it seems to be the TV's make
and model (I get SAM(sung)...... and U4E9MU700) with the DVB SID number.
On my LG telly, I get nothing, just 'No Service Available'
Ummmm................

v1.5.9C
PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
+
SID: 32851
PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
Nothing there tallies with Device or System Information, or the
current software version in the Panny's menu (I don't know how to get
the SID number of the TV if it has one).

The SID has got nothing to do with the telly, it's the transmitted stream ID

https://gist.github.com/ashleyhindle/e169ddeec87839dda287

[Jeff Layman]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Jeff Layman
In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
appear in other regions Ch7?
I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

Oooh, I've just taken a look. It's weird, it seems to be the TV's make
and model (I get SAM(sung)...... and U4E9MU700) with the DVB SID number.
On my LG telly, I get nothing, just 'No Service Available'
Ummmm................

v1.5.9C
PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
+
SID: 32851
PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
Nothing there tallies with Device or System Information, or the
current software version in the Panny's menu (I don't know how to get
the SID number of the TV if it has one).

The SID has got nothing to do with the telly, it's the transmitted stream ID
https://gist.github.com/ashleyhindle/e169ddeec87839dda287

I found that out when I did an internet search on SID after I sent the
reply. :-(

Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.

[Brian Gregory]

Post by Jeff Layman
Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.

AFAIK SID refers to the SID of the whole channel you are tuned to and
there will be other IDs that identify the video, audio and text streams.

Which one is your local channel?
(Isle of Wight, Thames valley, Basingstoke, ...)

[Jeff Layman]

Post by Brian Gregory

Post by Jeff Layman
Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.

AFAIK SID refers to the SID of the whole channel you are tuned to and
there will be other IDs that identify the video, audio and text streams.
Which one is your local channel?
(Isle of Wight, Thames valley, Basingstoke, ...)

I get my signal from Rowridge, so IoW.

[Dave W]

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Brian Gregory

Post by Jeff Layman
Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.

AFAIK SID refers to the SID of the whole channel you are tuned to and
there will be other IDs that identify the video, audio and text streams.
Which one is your local channel?
(Isle of Wight, Thames valley, Basingstoke, ...)

I get my signal from Rowridge, so IoW.

I've joined the party. My local station is chan 8 'London Live'.

On my Humax PVR 9300T I get:
V1.5.9C
HMXP93100 DSMS&T337 MHGS&T30F
+
SID:32842
WAI:


On my Sainsbury Celcus TV (Vestel) I get:
V1.5.9C
BORNOV70A CABECL621 MHGCAB621 DSMCAB621 /0009df/6041.dcf49
+
SID:32842
WAI:

So it would seem that line 2 depends on the device and the other lines
depend on the channel.
--
Dav

[Brian Gaff]

I still see no ch7. its a samsung 2020 model.
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Post by Dave W

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Brian Gregory

Post by Jeff Layman
Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.

AFAIK SID refers to the SID of the whole channel you are tuned to and
there will be other IDs that identify the video, audio and text streams.
Which one is your local channel?
(Isle of Wight, Thames valley, Basingstoke, ...)

I get my signal from Rowridge, so IoW.

I've joined the party. My local station is chan 8 'London Live'.
V1.5.9C
HMXP93100 DSMS&T337 MHGS&T30F
+
SID:32842
V1.5.9C
BORNOV70A CABECL621 MHGCAB621 DSMCAB621 /0009df/6041.dcf49
+
SID:32842
So it would seem that line 2 depends on the device and the other lines
depend on the channel.
--
Dave W

[Brian Gregory]

Post by Brian Gaff
I still see no ch7. its a samsung 2020 model.

Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.

You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are receiving from
two main transmitters that each carry different local channels.

[Davey]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100

Post by Brian Gregory

Post by Brian Gaff
I still see no ch7. its a samsung 2020 model.

Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are receiving
from two main transmitters that each carry different local channels.

I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax Fox T2
to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I need to do?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Davey
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100

Post by Brian Gregory

Post by Brian Gaff
I still see no ch7. its a samsung 2020 model.

Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are receiving
from two main transmitters that each carry different local channels.

I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax Fox T2
to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I need to do?

Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't) so
you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8

[Mark Carver]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Davey
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100

Post by Brian Gregory

I still see no ch7. its  a samsung 2020 model.

Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are receiving
from two main transmitters that each carry different local channels.

I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax Fox T2
to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I need to do?

Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't) so
you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8

Sorry my mistake, it does, but the signal is low power and only directed
towards Norwich

[Davey]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:54:52 +0100

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Davey
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100

Post by Brian Gregory

I still see no ch7. its  a samsung 2020 model.

Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are
receiving from two main transmitters that each carry different
local channels.

I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax
Fox T2 to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I
need to do?

Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't)
so you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8

Sorry my mistake, it does, but the signal is low power and only
directed towards Norwich

Ah, ok. I thought it had a local MUX, but Norwich is definitely the
wrong direction. There used to be a Mustard TV channel, but I could
never receive it.

[Mark Carver]

Post by Davey
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:54:52 +0100

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Davey
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100

Post by Brian Gregory

I still see no ch7. its  a samsung 2020 model.

Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are
receiving from two main transmitters that each carry different
local channels.

I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax
Fox T2 to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I
need to do?

Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't)
so you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8

Sorry my mistake, it does, but the signal is low power and only
directed towards Norwich

Ah, ok. I thought it had a local MUX, but Norwich is definitely the
wrong direction. There used to be a Mustard TV channel, but I could
never receive it.

Radiation pattern on Page 15 (pdf Page 26)

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0036/189729/comux-licence-technical-plan-v13.pdf

[Davey]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 09:38:27 +0100

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Davey
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:54:52 +0100

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Davey
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100

Post by Brian Gregory

I still see no ch7. its  a samsung 2020 model.

Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are
receiving from two main transmitters that each carry different
local channels.

I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax
Fox T2 to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I
need to do?

Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't)
so you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8

Sorry my mistake, it does, but the signal is low power and only
directed towards Norwich

Ah, ok. I thought it had a local MUX, but Norwich is definitely the
wrong direction. There used to be a Mustard TV channel, but I could
never receive it.

Radiation pattern on Page 15 (pdf Page 26)
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0036/189729/comux-licence-technical-plan-v13.pdf

Definitely Norwich-ward orientation.

[Brian Gaff]

I don't think in London we have a ch 7.
Brian
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Post by Jeff Layman
In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
appear in other regions Ch7?
I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.
--
Jeff

[Dave W]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 10:18:19 +0100, "Brian Gaff"

Post by Brian Gaff
I don't think in London we have a ch 7.
Brian

You're in the same location as me - I have already posted my
experience on channel 8 'Londo