Discussion:
Where to find which channels are on which mulitplex?
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Chris Green
2024-10-01 10:31:12 UTC
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My M-I-L is shortly moving from our house (where with a good aerial we
get our signal from Sudbury) to sheltered accomodation in Felixstowe
where the only viable signal is from the local Felixstowe relay.

The Felixstowe relay only carries PSB 1/BBC A, PSB 2/D3 & 4 and PSB 3/BBC B

Where do I find which channels she will lose (or which channels the
above multiplexes carry)? I know these change fairly often but
there's a couple of things she watches that I think she may lose and
we may need to work out alternative approaches.

... as regards "alternative approaches" are any/all of the channels on
the multiplexes she will lose available via some sort of on-line
access (e.g. like iPlayer, itvX and so on).
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Andy Burns
2024-10-01 11:23:55 UTC
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Post by Chris Green
Where do I find which channels she will lose (or which channels the
above multiplexes carry)?
I find this site is handy (it seems to say parts of it are down at the
moment)

<https://terrestrialtv.uk>

set your region first, then see available muxes and channels
Jeff Layman
2024-10-01 12:11:57 UTC
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Post by Andy Burns
Post by Chris Green
Where do I find which channels she will lose (or which channels the
above multiplexes carry)?
I find this site is handy (it seems to say parts of it are down at the
moment)
<https://terrestrialtv.uk>
set your region first, then see available muxes and channels
This might also be useful:
<https://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview-channel-checker>
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Jeff
Chris Green
2024-10-01 13:12:37 UTC
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Post by Andy Burns
Post by Chris Green
Where do I find which channels she will lose (or which channels the
above multiplexes carry)?
I find this site is handy (it seems to say parts of it are down at the
moment)
<https://terrestrialtv.uk>
set your region first, then see available muxes and channels
Thanks, that should tell me what I need.
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alan_m
2024-10-01 12:09:08 UTC
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Post by Chris Green
My M-I-L is shortly moving from our house (where with a good aerial we
get our signal from Sudbury) to sheltered accomodation in Felixstowe
where the only viable signal is from the local Felixstowe relay.
The Felixstowe relay only carries PSB 1/BBC A, PSB 2/D3 & 4 and PSB 3/BBC B
https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Felixstowe

This lists all channel on the available MUXs

plus....

Quote
The Felixstowe (Suffolk, England) mast is a public service broadcasting
(PSB) transmitter, it does not provide these commercial (COM) channels:
U&Yesterday, 4seven, 5Action, 5STAR, 5USA, Al Jazeera Eng, Al Jazeera
English, Blaze, Blaze +1, Challenge, Channel 5 +1, DMAX, E4 Extra,
YAAAS!, Film4 +1, Food Network, GREAT! action, GREAT! movies, GREAT!
romance, GREAT! romance mix, HGTV, HobbyMaker, ITV2 +1, ITV3 +1, ITV4
+1, ITVBe +1, Legend, PBS America, Quest +1, Quest Red, Really, Sky Mix,
Sky News, Talking Pictures TV, TCC, That's 90s, That's TV 2, Together
TV, TRUE CRIME, TRUE CRIME XTRA, U&Dave, U&Dave ja vu, U&Drama +1, U&W.


There is free to air satellite (Freesat) that carries the full range of
channels found on Freeview, but requires a satellite receiver. Note
Freesat has nothing to with Sky and doesn't need any subscription.
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Chris Green
2024-10-01 13:15:04 UTC
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Post by alan_m
Post by Chris Green
My M-I-L is shortly moving from our house (where with a good aerial we
get our signal from Sudbury) to sheltered accomodation in Felixstowe
where the only viable signal is from the local Felixstowe relay.
The Felixstowe relay only carries PSB 1/BBC A, PSB 2/D3 & 4 and PSB 3/BBC B
https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Felixstowe
This lists all channel on the available MUXs
plus....
Quote
The Felixstowe (Suffolk, England) mast is a public service broadcasting
U&Yesterday, 4seven, 5Action, 5STAR, 5USA, Al Jazeera Eng, Al Jazeera
English, Blaze, Blaze +1, Challenge, Channel 5 +1, DMAX, E4 Extra,
YAAAS!, Film4 +1, Food Network, GREAT! action, GREAT! movies, GREAT!
romance, GREAT! romance mix, HGTV, HobbyMaker, ITV2 +1, ITV3 +1, ITV4
+1, ITVBe +1, Legend, PBS America, Quest +1, Quest Red, Really, Sky Mix,
Sky News, Talking Pictures TV, TCC, That's 90s, That's TV 2, Together
TV, TRUE CRIME, TRUE CRIME XTRA, U&Dave, U&Dave ja vu, U&Drama +1, U&W.
There is free to air satellite (Freesat) that carries the full range of
channels found on Freeview, but requires a satellite receiver. Note
Freesat has nothing to with Sky and doesn't need any subscription.
Thanks for this (and all the other replies), my cup runneth over with
all the information I could possibly need! :-)
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Woody
2024-10-01 15:27:57 UTC
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Post by Chris Green
Post by alan_m
Post by Chris Green
My M-I-L is shortly moving from our house (where with a good aerial we
get our signal from Sudbury) to sheltered accomodation in Felixstowe
where the only viable signal is from the local Felixstowe relay.
The Felixstowe relay only carries PSB 1/BBC A, PSB 2/D3 & 4 and PSB 3/BBC B
https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Felixstowe
This lists all channel on the available MUXs
plus....
Quote
The Felixstowe (Suffolk, England) mast is a public service broadcasting
U&Yesterday, 4seven, 5Action, 5STAR, 5USA, Al Jazeera Eng, Al Jazeera
English, Blaze, Blaze +1, Challenge, Channel 5 +1, DMAX, E4 Extra,
YAAAS!, Film4 +1, Food Network, GREAT! action, GREAT! movies, GREAT!
romance, GREAT! romance mix, HGTV, HobbyMaker, ITV2 +1, ITV3 +1, ITV4
+1, ITVBe +1, Legend, PBS America, Quest +1, Quest Red, Really, Sky Mix,
Sky News, Talking Pictures TV, TCC, That's 90s, That's TV 2, Together
TV, TRUE CRIME, TRUE CRIME XTRA, U&Dave, U&Dave ja vu, U&Drama +1, U&W.
There is free to air satellite (Freesat) that carries the full range of
channels found on Freeview, but requires a satellite receiver. Note
Freesat has nothing to with Sky and doesn't need any subscription.
Thanks for this (and all the other replies), my cup runneth over with
all the information I could possibly need! :-)
A quick shows that much of the Felixstowe/Harwich area is covered by
Sudbury, so hesitate a little first.
charles
2024-10-01 16:15:02 UTC
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Post by Woody
Post by Chris Green
Post by alan_m
Post by Chris Green
My M-I-L is shortly moving from our house (where with a good aerial we
get our signal from Sudbury) to sheltered accomodation in Felixstowe
where the only viable signal is from the local Felixstowe relay.
The Felixstowe relay only carries PSB 1/BBC A, PSB 2/D3 & 4 and PSB 3/BBC B
https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Felixstowe
This lists all channel on the available MUXs
plus....
Quote The Felixstowe (Suffolk, England) mast is a public service
broadcasting (PSB) transmitter, it does not provide these commercial
(COM) channels: U&Yesterday, 4seven, 5Action, 5STAR, 5USA, Al Jazeera
Eng, Al Jazeera English, Blaze, Blaze +1, Challenge, Channel 5 +1,
DMAX, E4 Extra, YAAAS!, Film4 +1, Food Network, GREAT! action, GREAT!
movies, GREAT! romance, GREAT! romance mix, HGTV, HobbyMaker, ITV2 +1,
ITV3 +1, ITV4 +1, ITVBe +1, Legend, PBS America, Quest +1, Quest Red,
Really, Sky Mix, Sky News, Talking Pictures TV, TCC, That's 90s,
That's TV 2, Together TV, TRUE CRIME, TRUE CRIME XTRA, U&Dave, U&Dave
ja vu, U&Drama +1, U&W.
There is free to air satellite (Freesat) that carries the full range of
channels found on Freeview, but requires a satellite receiver. Note
Freesat has nothing to with Sky and doesn't need any subscription.
Thanks for this (and all the other replies), my cup runneth over with
all the information I could possibly need! :-)
A quick shows that much of the Felixstowe/Harwich area is covered by
Sudbury, so hesitate a little first.
But the Felixstowe relay is there for a reason. It certainly was in the
analogue days, but, possibly, not so much needed now.
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Woody
2024-10-02 12:35:07 UTC
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Post by charles
Post by Woody
Post by Chris Green
Post by alan_m
Post by Chris Green
My M-I-L is shortly moving from our house (where with a good aerial we
get our signal from Sudbury) to sheltered accomodation in Felixstowe
where the only viable signal is from the local Felixstowe relay.
The Felixstowe relay only carries PSB 1/BBC A, PSB 2/D3 & 4 and PSB 3/BBC B
https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Felixstowe
This lists all channel on the available MUXs
plus....
Quote The Felixstowe (Suffolk, England) mast is a public service
broadcasting (PSB) transmitter, it does not provide these commercial
(COM) channels: U&Yesterday, 4seven, 5Action, 5STAR, 5USA, Al Jazeera
Eng, Al Jazeera English, Blaze, Blaze +1, Challenge, Channel 5 +1,
DMAX, E4 Extra, YAAAS!, Film4 +1, Food Network, GREAT! action, GREAT!
movies, GREAT! romance, GREAT! romance mix, HGTV, HobbyMaker, ITV2 +1,
ITV3 +1, ITV4 +1, ITVBe +1, Legend, PBS America, Quest +1, Quest Red,
Really, Sky Mix, Sky News, Talking Pictures TV, TCC, That's 90s,
That's TV 2, Together TV, TRUE CRIME, TRUE CRIME XTRA, U&Dave, U&Dave
ja vu, U&Drama +1, U&W.
There is free to air satellite (Freesat) that carries the full range of
channels found on Freeview, but requires a satellite receiver. Note
Freesat has nothing to with Sky and doesn't need any subscription.
Thanks for this (and all the other replies), my cup runneth over with
all the information I could possibly need! :-)
A quick shows that much of the Felixstowe/Harwich area is covered by
Sudbury, so hesitate a little first.
But the Felixstowe relay is there for a reason. It certainly was in the
analogue days, but, possibly, not so much needed now.
Agreed. You have to remember that Wolfbane hasn't been updated for some
years and as Charles says above it was written for analogue signals
which typically needed of the order of about 250-500uV or more of
signal. Modern digital TVs are usually quite happy with signals around
50uV or even less.

Don't be misled by current signal issues due to the heavy rain. We run
off Emley Moor (28m) and its normally solid as a rock. As my multibeam
suddenly expired about five months ago I put up a multibeam in the loft
(behind concrete roof tiles but not foil or similar) and it worked quite
well; then we got heavy rain soaking the oof and trees about 100m in
front of the aerial and it started pixelating on stations carried by
Com6 (or ArqB) on channel 48, the highest channel in use nowadays. I
changed the multibeam to a 56 element log periodic which restored the
signal.
In the last few days 5USA has started pixelating when again we have had
a day or more of pretty well continuous rain. It is carried on Com4
which for Emley is channel 33 and is only a few dB less gain than on
channel 48. Now the rain has stopped and the signal is good again.
I'm going to get my son's mate who is an aerial installer to replace my
multibeam with a T or K group yagi which has a flatter gain in the 33-48
range.
As an aside we live only about five degrees off a straight line between
Emley and Bilsdale. In the past (and with both multibeams) I have been
able to tune Bilsdale with as good a signal as Emley. When 5USA on 33
was breaking up yesterday I retuned to Bilsdale (on 43) and it had
disintegrated to essentially nothing!
alan_m
2024-10-02 13:48:21 UTC
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Post by Woody
Emley Moor
From
https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Emley_Moor

Are there any planned engineering works or unexpected transmitter faults
on the Emley Moor (Kirklees, England) mast?

Emley Moor transmitter - Emley Moor transmitter: Possible effect on TV
reception week commencing 30/09/2024 Pixelation or flickering on some or
all channels

If it's anything like Bluebell Hill this message has been up for the
past 4/5 weeks with the only thing changing in the message being the
week commencing date.
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Chris Green
2024-10-01 16:04:18 UTC
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Post by Woody
Post by Chris Green
Post by alan_m
Post by Chris Green
My M-I-L is shortly moving from our house (where with a good aerial we
get our signal from Sudbury) to sheltered accomodation in Felixstowe
where the only viable signal is from the local Felixstowe relay.
The Felixstowe relay only carries PSB 1/BBC A, PSB 2/D3 & 4 and PSB 3/BBC B
https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Felixstowe
This lists all channel on the available MUXs
plus....
Quote
The Felixstowe (Suffolk, England) mast is a public service broadcasting
U&Yesterday, 4seven, 5Action, 5STAR, 5USA, Al Jazeera Eng, Al Jazeera
English, Blaze, Blaze +1, Challenge, Channel 5 +1, DMAX, E4 Extra,
YAAAS!, Film4 +1, Food Network, GREAT! action, GREAT! movies, GREAT!
romance, GREAT! romance mix, HGTV, HobbyMaker, ITV2 +1, ITV3 +1, ITV4
+1, ITVBe +1, Legend, PBS America, Quest +1, Quest Red, Really, Sky Mix,
Sky News, Talking Pictures TV, TCC, That's 90s, That's TV 2, Together
TV, TRUE CRIME, TRUE CRIME XTRA, U&Dave, U&Dave ja vu, U&Drama +1, U&W.
There is free to air satellite (Freesat) that carries the full range of
channels found on Freeview, but requires a satellite receiver. Note
Freesat has nothing to with Sky and doesn't need any subscription.
Thanks for this (and all the other replies), my cup runneth over with
all the information I could possibly need! :-)
A quick shows that much of the Felixstowe/Harwich area is covered by
Sudbury, so hesitate a little first.
Accoring to the Wolfbane site it would need a "Amplified Extra High
Gain" and I don't think that's going to be possible. What I'm not
quite sure about though is what the aerial sockets in then M-I-L's new
accomodation are going to provide. I suppose they *might* get
Sudbury, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Andy Burns
2024-10-01 17:15:46 UTC
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Post by Chris Green
Accoring to the Wolfbane site it would need a "Amplified Extra High
Gain"
It always seems to say that, I wouldn't believe it ...
Chris Green
2024-10-01 18:00:56 UTC
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Post by Andy Burns
Post by Chris Green
Accoring to the Wolfbane site it would need a "Amplified Extra High
Gain"
It always seems to say that, I wouldn't believe it ...
It's about right for our location, it says "Amplified Extra High Gain"
and that's what we need, we're a bit closer to Sudbury than Felixstowe
is and we happen to live on the top of the highest 'hump' for quite a
way around. Reception for Sudbury still gets a bit marginal at times.
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Mark Carver
2024-10-03 16:20:26 UTC
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Post by Andy Burns
Post by Chris Green
Accoring to the Wolfbane site it would need a "Amplified Extra High
Gain"
It always seems to say that, I wouldn't believe it ...
Wolfblane's DTT list and data is almost 10 years out of date, and still
lists COM 7 and 8 on their old original Ch 31-37 allocations, (Both
muxes closed in 2020 and 2022 respectively)

Forget UK Free (as ever) it's full of nonsense

Best resource is the grown up option for data here:-

https://www.freeview.co.uk/corporate/detailed-transmitter-information
NY
2024-10-03 23:05:46 UTC
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Post by Mark Carver
Post by Andy Burns
Post by Chris Green
Accoring to the Wolfbane site it would need a "Amplified Extra High
Gain"
It always seems to say that, I wouldn't believe it ...
Wolfblane's DTT list and data is almost 10 years out of date, and still
lists COM 7 and 8 on their old original Ch 31-37 allocations, (Both
muxes closed in 2020 and 2022 respectively)
Forget UK Free (as ever) it's full of nonsense
Best resource is the grown up option for data here:-
https://www.freeview.co.uk/corporate/detailed-transmitter-information
JavaJive's reception predictor used to be good, but a change by Google
broke the site and a workaround has never been found. As well as
predicting signal strength for various heights of aerial at a given
location, it would also draw a reception profile which (in our case)
showed that we would have had a perfect line of site to Belmont... apart
from one single solitary hill about 1/4 from the village! Mind you, the
profile was a bit pessimistic, because we get perfectly good reception
from Belmont apart from rare days when all hell breaks loose because of
co-channel from as far away as Crystal Palace (Belmont and CP share the
same frequencies though not necessarily for the same muxes).

What is interesting about the Freeview.co.uk site and Wolfbane's is that
they recommend Bilsdale (Belmont doesn't even get a mention in the "last
resort" category). But no-one in our village has an aerial pointing that
way - probably because Yorkshire folk prefer Hull-based local news (BBC
and ITV) to Newcastle-based news.
alan_m
2024-10-04 09:54:20 UTC
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Post by NY
Post by Mark Carver
Post by Andy Burns
Post by Chris Green
Accoring to the Wolfbane site it would need a "Amplified Extra High
Gain"
It always seems to say that, I wouldn't believe it ...
Wolfblane's DTT list and data is almost 10 years out of date, and
still lists COM 7 and 8 on their old original Ch 31-37 allocations,
(Both muxes closed in 2020 and 2022 respectively)
Forget UK Free (as ever) it's full of nonsense
Best resource is the grown up option for data here:-
https://www.freeview.co.uk/corporate/detailed-transmitter-information
What is interesting about the Freeview.co.uk site and Wolfbane's is that
they recommend Bilsdale (Belmont doesn't even get a mention in the "last
resort" category). But no-one in our village has an aerial pointing that
way - probably because Yorkshire folk prefer Hull-based local news (BBC
and ITV) to Newcastle-based news.
In my location the Dover transmitter is given as the preferred
transmitter on various web sites. I've never been able to get anything
from Dover, even when I had a large wideband aerial and aerial rotator
on the roof. Looking around my local area I see no aerials pointing in
that direction.
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alan_m
2024-10-01 20:47:32 UTC
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Post by Chris Green
Accoring to the Wolfbane site it would need a "Amplified Extra High
Gain" and I don't think that's going to be possible.
They often state that including for my address pointing at the blueberry
Hill transmitter. I get a reliable* signal using a low gain log
periodic aerial mounted in the loft.

*It hasn't been reliable in the past 3 weeks but the transmitter page
indicated ongoing engineering work for a month and pixelation or
flickering on some or all channels should be expected. My guess they are
transmitting at a lower power.
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alan_m
2024-10-02 13:39:37 UTC
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Post by alan_m
Post by Chris Green
Accoring to the Wolfbane site it would need a "Amplified Extra High
Gain" and I don't think that's going to be possible.
They often state that including for my address pointing at the blueberry
Er, Bluebell Hill transmitter
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David
2024-10-22 20:16:40 UTC
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Post by Chris Green
My M-I-L is shortly moving from our house (where with a good aerial we
get our signal from Sudbury) to sheltered accomodation in Felixstowe
where the only viable signal is from the local Felixstowe relay.
The Felixstowe relay only carries PSB 1/BBC A, PSB 2/D3 & 4 and PSB 3/BBC B
<snip>

It depends whereabouts in Felixstowe.

Up above the cliffs the Sudbury signal is usually OK.

If you are down near the sea shore there are various cliffs plus the dock
cranes to get in the way.

Cheers



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