SOT: iPad Mini charger question

[Scott]

I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
Wednesday. According to the John Lewis website:

"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."

Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

[Rupert Moss-Eccardt]

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

[Scott]

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:41:42 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

Getting to the core of the situation, is there any magic in Apple or
will any suitably powered USB-C charger do?

[Tweed]

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:41:42 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

Getting to the core of the situation, is there any magic in Apple or
will any suitably powered USB-C charger do?

TLDR buy the Apple charger

Longer answer:
Firstly make sure any other charger is from a reputable source. There’s a
lot of dangerous devices on the market, often with fake compliance
markings.

The iPad will charge with a lower wattage device but more slowly. Obviously
a really low power charger won’t even power the unit whilst you are using
it.

Modern PD USB-C chargers start at 5V output and then negotiate with the
device to come to a mutually acceptable higher voltage. The mutually
acceptable bit is key. The iPad will likely accept all possible voltages
defined in the standard. Cheap chargers often miss out some voltage steps.

You also have current limits imposed by the cable. The cable needs to have
a chip to say it can manage high currents (or be captive to the charger and
thus be part of the charger’s negotiation)

So a cheap cable can make a decent high power charger limp along.

EU regulations are banning the supply of a charger with the device, in an
attempt to make you reuse an old one. So it’s not a dirty trick by Apple.

If it’s the charger I think it is, the Apple one isn’t that expensive. It
has a nice feature that the mains pins fold away into the body. You fold
the earth pin and the other 2 fold down in sympathy.

[Scott]

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:05:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:41:42 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

Getting to the core of the situation, is there any magic in Apple or
will any suitably powered USB-C charger do?

TLDR buy the Apple charger
Firstly make sure any other charger is from a reputable source. There’s a
lot of dangerous devices on the market, often with fake compliance
markings.
The iPad will charge with a lower wattage device but more slowly. Obviously
a really low power charger won’t even power the unit whilst you are using
it.
Modern PD USB-C chargers start at 5V output and then negotiate with the
device to come to a mutually acceptable higher voltage. The mutually
acceptable bit is key. The iPad will likely accept all possible voltages
defined in the standard. Cheap chargers often miss out some voltage steps.
You also have current limits imposed by the cable. The cable needs to have
a chip to say it can manage high currents (or be captive to the charger and
thus be part of the charger’s negotiation)
So a cheap cable can make a decent high power charger limp along.
EU regulations are banning the supply of a charger with the device, in an
attempt to make you reuse an old one. So it’s not a dirty trick by Apple.
If it’s the charger I think it is, the Apple one isn’t that expensive. It
has a nice feature that the mains pins fold away into the body. You fold
the earth pin and the other 2 fold down in sympathy.

Thanks. One of my chargers is from my Goofle Pixel 5. Does this
qualify as reputable? Another that I use is part of an MK socket
(K2766WHI) which claims to be '30W fast charging with PD protocol and
GaN technology'. Again, is this reputable? MK is (or was) regarded as
quality.

The cable is less of an issue as I understand Apple supply a cable.

I understand that the EU mandated USB-C (though post-Brexit presumably
the UK is not necessarily bound by this). I can see the logic but this
logic is surely defeated is no-one knows whether an old charger is
compatible and has to buy a new one as a precaution.

[David Wade]

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:05:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:41:42 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

Getting to the core of the situation, is there any magic in Apple or
will any suitably powered USB-C charger do?

TLDR buy the Apple charger
Firstly make sure any other charger is from a reputable source. There’s a
lot of dangerous devices on the market, often with fake compliance
markings.
The iPad will charge with a lower wattage device but more slowly. Obviously
a really low power charger won’t even power the unit whilst you are using
it.
Modern PD USB-C chargers start at 5V output and then negotiate with the
device to come to a mutually acceptable higher voltage. The mutually
acceptable bit is key. The iPad will likely accept all possible voltages
defined in the standard. Cheap chargers often miss out some voltage steps.
You also have current limits imposed by the cable. The cable needs to have
a chip to say it can manage high currents (or be captive to the charger and
thus be part of the charger’s negotiation)
So a cheap cable can make a decent high power charger limp along.
EU regulations are banning the supply of a charger with the device, in an
attempt to make you reuse an old one. So it’s not a dirty trick by Apple.
If it’s the charger I think it is, the Apple one isn’t that expensive. It
has a nice feature that the mains pins fold away into the body. You fold
the earth pin and the other 2 fold down in sympathy.

Thanks. One of my chargers is from my Goofle Pixel 5. Does this
qualify as reputable?

So long as its a real Google Charger I think that would work..


Another that I use is part of an MK socket

Post by Scott
(K2766WHI) which claims to be '30W fast charging with PD protocol and
GaN technology'. Again, is this reputable? MK is (or was) regarded as
quality.

looking at the spec for this, it looks as if this would work. I think I
might get one as it looks really useful

Post by Scott
The cable is less of an issue as I understand Apple supply a cable.

If its same as my wifes iPad its rather a short cable, you may be OK
with this, but she needs a longer one...

Post by Scott
I understand that the EU mandated USB-C (though post-Brexit presumably
the UK is not necessarily bound by this). I can see the logic but this
logic is surely defeated is no-one knows whether an old charger is
compatible and has to buy a new one as a precaution.

Well if you can read the wattage you should be able to figure this out.
However the legend on the Apple chargers is very faint.

Dave

[Scott]

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:05:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:41:42 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

Getting to the core of the situation, is there any magic in Apple or
will any suitably powered USB-C charger do?

TLDR buy the Apple charger
Firstly make sure any other charger is from a reputable source. There’s a
lot of dangerous devices on the market, often with fake compliance
markings.
The iPad will charge with a lower wattage device but more slowly. Obviously
a really low power charger won’t even power the unit whilst you are using
it.
Modern PD USB-C chargers start at 5V output and then negotiate with the
device to come to a mutually acceptable higher voltage. The mutually
acceptable bit is key. The iPad will likely accept all possible voltages
defined in the standard. Cheap chargers often miss out some voltage steps.
You also have current limits imposed by the cable. The cable needs to have
a chip to say it can manage high currents (or be captive to the charger and
thus be part of the charger’s negotiation)
So a cheap cable can make a decent high power charger limp along.
EU regulations are banning the supply of a charger with the device, in an
attempt to make you reuse an old one. So it’s not a dirty trick by Apple.
If it’s the charger I think it is, the Apple one isn’t that expensive. It
has a nice feature that the mains pins fold away into the body. You fold
the earth pin and the other 2 fold down in sympathy.

Thanks. One of my chargers is from my Goofle Pixel 5. Does this
qualify as reputable?

So long as its a real Google Charger I think that would work..

It is real Google. I wasn't trying to be a comedian!

Post by David Wade
Another that I use is part of an MK socket

Post by Scott
(K2766WHI) which claims to be '30W fast charging with PD protocol and
GaN technology'. Again, is this reputable? MK is (or was) regarded as
quality.

looking at the spec for this, it looks as if this would work. I think I
might get one as it looks really useful

I like mine. Beware there is (or was when I purchased) an older model
with a lower spec.

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
The cable is less of an issue as I understand Apple supply a cable.

If its same as my wifes iPad its rather a short cable, you may be OK
with this, but she needs a longer one...

Post by Scott
I understand that the EU mandated USB-C (though post-Brexit presumably
the UK is not necessarily bound by this). I can see the logic but this
logic is surely defeated is no-one knows whether an old charger is
compatible and has to buy a new one as a precaution.

Well if you can read the wattage you should be able to figure this out.
However the legend on the Apple chargers is very faint.

I find that. I once took an charger to my local cafe and asked one of
the younger waitresses to decypher it for me (which she was able to
do!).

[Tweed]

Post by Scott

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:05:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:41:42 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

Getting to the core of the situation, is there any magic in Apple or
will any suitably powered USB-C charger do?

TLDR buy the Apple charger
Firstly make sure any other charger is from a reputable source. There’s a
lot of dangerous devices on the market, often with fake compliance
markings.
The iPad will charge with a lower wattage device but more slowly. Obviously
a really low power charger won’t even power the unit whilst you are using
it.
Modern PD USB-C chargers start at 5V output and then negotiate with the
device to come to a mutually acceptable higher voltage. The mutually
acceptable bit is key. The iPad will likely accept all possible voltages
defined in the standard. Cheap chargers often miss out some voltage steps.
You also have current limits imposed by the cable. The cable needs to have
a chip to say it can manage high currents (or be captive to the charger and
thus be part of the charger’s negotiation)
So a cheap cable can make a decent high power charger limp along.
EU regulations are banning the supply of a charger with the device, in an
attempt to make you reuse an old one. So it’s not a dirty trick by Apple.
If it’s the charger I think it is, the Apple one isn’t that expensive. It
has a nice feature that the mains pins fold away into the body. You fold
the earth pin and the other 2 fold down in sympathy.

Thanks. One of my chargers is from my Goofle Pixel 5. Does this
qualify as reputable?

So long as its a real Google Charger I think that would work..

It is real Google. I wasn't trying to be a comedian!

Post by David Wade
Another that I use is part of an MK socket

Post by Scott
(K2766WHI) which claims to be '30W fast charging with PD protocol and
GaN technology'. Again, is this reputable? MK is (or was) regarded as
quality.

looking at the spec for this, it looks as if this would work. I think I
might get one as it looks really useful

I like mine. Beware there is (or was when I purchased) an older model
with a lower spec.

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
The cable is less of an issue as I understand Apple supply a cable.

If its same as my wifes iPad its rather a short cable, you may be OK
with this, but she needs a longer one...

Post by Scott
I understand that the EU mandated USB-C (though post-Brexit presumably
the UK is not necessarily bound by this). I can see the logic but this
logic is surely defeated is no-one knows whether an old charger is
compatible and has to buy a new one as a precaution.

Well if you can read the wattage you should be able to figure this out.
However the legend on the Apple chargers is very faint.

I find that. I once took an charger to my local cafe and asked one of
the younger waitresses to decypher it for me (which she was able to
do!).

The MK socket looks good. The specs
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK2766.html
For the usb-c PD show that it can negotiate all the voltage steps up to 20V


I find this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09Z2XF4Z6
handy. It tells you what the voltage and current are.

[Scott]

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 06:23:49 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:05:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:41:42 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

Getting to the core of the situation, is there any magic in Apple or
will any suitably powered USB-C charger do?

TLDR buy the Apple charger
Firstly make sure any other charger is from a reputable source. There?s a
lot of dangerous devices on the market, often with fake compliance
markings.
The iPad will charge with a lower wattage device but more slowly. Obviously
a really low power charger won?t even power the unit whilst you are using
it.
Modern PD USB-C chargers start at 5V output and then negotiate with the
device to come to a mutually acceptable higher voltage. The mutually
acceptable bit is key. The iPad will likely accept all possible voltages
defined in the standard. Cheap chargers often miss out some voltage steps.
You also have current limits imposed by the cable. The cable needs to have
a chip to say it can manage high currents (or be captive to the charger and
thus be part of the charger?s negotiation)
So a cheap cable can make a decent high power charger limp along.
EU regulations are banning the supply of a charger with the device, in an
attempt to make you reuse an old one. So it?s not a dirty trick by Apple.
If it?s the charger I think it is, the Apple one isn?t that expensive. It
has a nice feature that the mains pins fold away into the body. You fold
the earth pin and the other 2 fold down in sympathy.

Thanks. One of my chargers is from my Goofle Pixel 5. Does this
qualify as reputable?

So long as its a real Google Charger I think that would work..

It is real Google. I wasn't trying to be a comedian!

Post by David Wade
Another that I use is part of an MK socket

Post by Scott
(K2766WHI) which claims to be '30W fast charging with PD protocol and
GaN technology'. Again, is this reputable? MK is (or was) regarded as
quality.

looking at the spec for this, it looks as if this would work. I think I
might get one as it looks really useful

I like mine. Beware there is (or was when I purchased) an older model
with a lower spec.

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
The cable is less of an issue as I understand Apple supply a cable.

If its same as my wifes iPad its rather a short cable, you may be OK
with this, but she needs a longer one...

Post by Scott
I understand that the EU mandated USB-C (though post-Brexit presumably
the UK is not necessarily bound by this). I can see the logic but this
logic is surely defeated is no-one knows whether an old charger is
compatible and has to buy a new one as a precaution.

Well if you can read the wattage you should be able to figure this out.
However the legend on the Apple chargers is very faint.

I find that. I once took an charger to my local cafe and asked one of
the younger waitresses to decypher it for me (which she was able to
do!).

The MK socket looks good. The specs
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK2766.html
For the usb-c PD show that it can negotiate all the voltage steps up to 20V
I find this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09Z2XF4Z6
handy. It tells you what the voltage and current are.

Thanks for the heads up. Can you work out the difference between the
£8.99 version and the £21.99 version?

[Tweed]

Post by Scott
On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 06:23:49 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:05:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:41:42 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

Getting to the core of the situation, is there any magic in Apple or
will any suitably powered USB-C charger do?

TLDR buy the Apple charger
Firstly make sure any other charger is from a reputable source. There?s a
lot of dangerous devices on the market, often with fake compliance
markings.
The iPad will charge with a lower wattage device but more slowly. Obviously
a really low power charger won?t even power the unit whilst you are using
it.
Modern PD USB-C chargers start at 5V output and then negotiate with the
device to come to a mutually acceptable higher voltage. The mutually
acceptable bit is key. The iPad will likely accept all possible voltages
defined in the standard. Cheap chargers often miss out some voltage steps.
You also have current limits imposed by the cable. The cable needs to have
a chip to say it can manage high currents (or be captive to the charger and
thus be part of the charger?s negotiation)
So a cheap cable can make a decent high power charger limp along.
EU regulations are banning the supply of a charger with the device, in an
attempt to make you reuse an old one. So it?s not a dirty trick by Apple.
If it?s the charger I think it is, the Apple one isn?t that expensive. It
has a nice feature that the mains pins fold away into the body. You fold
the earth pin and the other 2 fold down in sympathy.

Thanks. One of my chargers is from my Goofle Pixel 5. Does this
qualify as reputable?

So long as its a real Google Charger I think that would work..

It is real Google. I wasn't trying to be a comedian!

Post by David Wade
Another that I use is part of an MK socket

Post by Scott
(K2766WHI) which claims to be '30W fast charging with PD protocol and
GaN technology'. Again, is this reputable? MK is (or was) regarded as
quality.

looking at the spec for this, it looks as if this would work. I think I
might get one as it looks really useful

I like mine. Beware there is (or was when I purchased) an older model
with a lower spec.

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
The cable is less of an issue as I understand Apple supply a cable.

If its same as my wifes iPad its rather a short cable, you may be OK
with this, but she needs a longer one...

Post by Scott
I understand that the EU mandated USB-C (though post-Brexit presumably
the UK is not necessarily bound by this). I can see the logic but this
logic is surely defeated is no-one knows whether an old charger is
compatible and has to buy a new one as a precaution.

Well if you can read the wattage you should be able to figure this out.
However the legend on the Apple chargers is very faint.

I find that. I once took an charger to my local cafe and asked one of
the younger waitresses to decypher it for me (which she was able to
do!).

The MK socket looks good. The specs
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK2766.html
For the usb-c PD show that it can negotiate all the voltage steps up to 20V
I find this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09Z2XF4Z6
handy. It tells you what the voltage and current are.

Thanks for the heads up. Can you work out the difference between the
£8.99 version and the £21.99 version?

The more expensive version appears to also deal with older types of rapid
charge methods, ie all the proprietary things that existed before the usb-c
PD standard.

[Scott]

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:45:57 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 06:23:49 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:05:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:41:42 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

It will need to be at least 20W otherwise the iPad will complain and
might not even charge.

Getting to the core of the situation, is there any magic in Apple or
will any suitably powered USB-C charger do?

TLDR buy the Apple charger
Firstly make sure any other charger is from a reputable source. There?s a
lot of dangerous devices on the market, often with fake compliance
markings.
The iPad will charge with a lower wattage device but more slowly. Obviously
a really low power charger won?t even power the unit whilst you are using
it.
Modern PD USB-C chargers start at 5V output and then negotiate with the
device to come to a mutually acceptable higher voltage. The mutually
acceptable bit is key. The iPad will likely accept all possible voltages
defined in the standard. Cheap chargers often miss out some voltage steps.
You also have current limits imposed by the cable. The cable needs to have
a chip to say it can manage high currents (or be captive to the charger and
thus be part of the charger?s negotiation)
So a cheap cable can make a decent high power charger limp along.
EU regulations are banning the supply of a charger with the device, in an
attempt to make you reuse an old one. So it?s not a dirty trick by Apple.
If it?s the charger I think it is, the Apple one isn?t that expensive. It
has a nice feature that the mains pins fold away into the body. You fold
the earth pin and the other 2 fold down in sympathy.

Thanks. One of my chargers is from my Goofle Pixel 5. Does this
qualify as reputable?

So long as its a real Google Charger I think that would work..

It is real Google. I wasn't trying to be a comedian!

Post by David Wade
Another that I use is part of an MK socket

Post by Scott
(K2766WHI) which claims to be '30W fast charging with PD protocol and
GaN technology'. Again, is this reputable? MK is (or was) regarded as
quality.

looking at the spec for this, it looks as if this would work. I think I
might get one as it looks really useful

I like mine. Beware there is (or was when I purchased) an older model
with a lower spec.

Post by David Wade

Post by Scott
The cable is less of an issue as I understand Apple supply a cable.

If its same as my wifes iPad its rather a short cable, you may be OK
with this, but she needs a longer one...

Post by Scott
I understand that the EU mandated USB-C (though post-Brexit presumably
the UK is not necessarily bound by this). I can see the logic but this
logic is surely defeated is no-one knows whether an old charger is
compatible and has to buy a new one as a precaution.

Well if you can read the wattage you should be able to figure this out.
However the legend on the Apple chargers is very faint.

I find that. I once took an charger to my local cafe and asked one of
the younger waitresses to decypher it for me (which she was able to
do!).

The MK socket looks good. The specs
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK2766.html
For the usb-c PD show that it can negotiate all the voltage steps up to 20V
I find this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09Z2XF4Z6
handy. It tells you what the voltage and current are.

Thanks for the heads up. Can you work out the difference between the
£8.99 version and the £21.99 version?

The more expensive version appears to also deal with older types of rapid
charge methods, ie all the proprietary things that existed before the usb-c
PD standard.

I think you have just saved me £13.

[alan_m]

Post by David Wade
If its same as my wifes iPad its rather a short cable, you may be OK
with this, but she needs a longer one...

I have a couple of 2m cables. I've found the cloth cover type from this
supplier to be reliable and appear a lot more robust than some I've
owned in the past.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165520260877

I've no connection with the seller apart from being a customer.

The cables on that page with the semi transparent ends (the purple and
orange cables) have a built in LED. With my 2 of my chargers (a Samsung
that came with the phone and a USB C inbuilt to the mains socket) the
LED only lights when both ends are connected. On my no-name cheap
charger the LEDs light when the cable is connected to the charger (and
not the phone). This may indicate that not all fast chargers support the
full functionalities of the charging system and some may be a bit dumber
than a good quality one.

[David Wade]

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

The problem is that USB-C embraces a multitude of standards. So looking
down here:-

https://support.apple.com/en-us/120548

you can see some are 5V and some are 9v and 5v. I believe that iPads
need 9v to charge which is why many adaptors don't work. To be honest my
wife, who has an iPad Air has had terrible problems charging hers with
an Apple charger. She tends to steal my Lenovo 65W USB C laptop charger
which offers 5V, 9V and a range of voltages up to 20V but it charges her
iPad just great, so whilst MANY USB-C adaptors won't work its possible
you have one lurking somewhere that will.

Dave
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#USB_Power_Delivery if you
are suffering from mild insomnia or want to know more about USB-C power.

[alan_m]

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

If you have a common cable and multiple devices that need charging the
idea was that you don't need multiple chargers that may just sit in a
drawer and later go to landfill unused. You can use your existing charger.

Not supplying a charger with devices that charge via the USB C is
becoming common with the purchase of a phone.

USB C for charging isn't just 5V. The device and charger can negotiate
a higher voltage or higher volts/amps combination for faster charging,
and possibly a lower voltage/amps once the bulk of the charging is
complete. I would also expect an iphone to be monitoring battery
temperature and adjust charging accordingly.

For instance a USB C 65W devices will support the following charging
volts/amps 20V-3.25A / 20V-2.25A / 15V-3A / 12V-3A / 9V-3A / 5V-3A

Iphone recommendation
For fast charging, iPhone 12, iPhone SE (3rd generation), and later
models require a power adapter with a minimum power output of 20 watts,
such as the Apple 20W USB power adapter. If you use a third-party power
adapter, it should meet these recommended specifications:

Frequency: 50 to 60 Hz, single phase
Line Voltage: 100 to 240 VAC
Output Voltage/Current: 9 VDC/2.2 A
Minimum Power Output: 20 W
Output Port: USB-C

The latest USB C sockets inbuilt to mains socket plates usually/often
will support faster charging rates

As for will any charger do? You pays your money and takes your choice. I
have a spare cheapish USB C third party charger that I keep in my laptop
bag for use when I'm away from home. It works perfectly BUT this is the
second no-name one I purchased. The first seemed very unreliable with
charging as at times it often resorted to the lowest rate of charging
and was unable to increase the charge in the laptop battery when the
laptop was in use and the battery charge had become low. The replacement
charges the battery to 10% to 80%* in under 30 minutes even when the
laptop is still in use. My phone fast charges quickly from a USB C
charger inbuilt to a mains socket.

* Many manufacturers are now recommending only going to a 80% for
battery longevity. My devices that have USB C charging all have inbuilt
(software) facilities for user selection of stopping the charge when the
battery gets to this 80% level.

[Scott]

Post by alan_m

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

If you have a common cable and multiple devices that need charging the
idea was that you don't need multiple chargers that may just sit in a
drawer and later go to landfill unused. You can use your existing charger.
Not supplying a charger with devices that charge via the USB C is
becoming common with the purchase of a phone.
USB C for charging isn't just 5V. The device and charger can negotiate
a higher voltage or higher volts/amps combination for faster charging,
and possibly a lower voltage/amps once the bulk of the charging is
complete. I would also expect an iphone to be monitoring battery
temperature and adjust charging accordingly.
For instance a USB C 65W devices will support the following charging
volts/amps 20V-3.25A / 20V-2.25A / 15V-3A / 12V-3A / 9V-3A / 5V-3A
Iphone recommendation
For fast charging, iPhone 12, iPhone SE (3rd generation), and later
models require a power adapter with a minimum power output of 20 watts,
such as the Apple 20W USB power adapter. If you use a third-party power
Frequency: 50 to 60 Hz, single phase
Line Voltage: 100 to 240 VAC
Output Voltage/Current: 9 VDC/2.2 A
Minimum Power Output: 20 W
Output Port: USB-C
The latest USB C sockets inbuilt to mains socket plates usually/often
will support faster charging rates
As for will any charger do? You pays your money and takes your choice. I
have a spare cheapish USB C third party charger that I keep in my laptop
bag for use when I'm away from home. It works perfectly BUT this is the
second no-name one I purchased. The first seemed very unreliable with
charging as at times it often resorted to the lowest rate of charging
and was unable to increase the charge in the laptop battery when the
laptop was in use and the battery charge had become low. The replacement
charges the battery to 10% to 80%* in under 30 minutes even when the
laptop is still in use. My phone fast charges quickly from a USB C
charger inbuilt to a mains socket.
* Many manufacturers are now recommending only going to a 80% for
battery longevity. My devices that have USB C charging all have inbuilt
(software) facilities for user selection of stopping the charge when the
battery gets to this 80% level.

Thanks for this detailed response. It looks like some reading will be
needed if and when I get my new iPad Mini. Maybe tomorrow?

[Tweed]

Post by Scott

Post by alan_m

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

If you have a common cable and multiple devices that need charging the
idea was that you don't need multiple chargers that may just sit in a
drawer and later go to landfill unused. You can use your existing charger.
Not supplying a charger with devices that charge via the USB C is
becoming common with the purchase of a phone.
USB C for charging isn't just 5V. The device and charger can negotiate
a higher voltage or higher volts/amps combination for faster charging,
and possibly a lower voltage/amps once the bulk of the charging is
complete. I would also expect an iphone to be monitoring battery
temperature and adjust charging accordingly.
For instance a USB C 65W devices will support the following charging
volts/amps 20V-3.25A / 20V-2.25A / 15V-3A / 12V-3A / 9V-3A / 5V-3A
Iphone recommendation
For fast charging, iPhone 12, iPhone SE (3rd generation), and later
models require a power adapter with a minimum power output of 20 watts,
such as the Apple 20W USB power adapter. If you use a third-party power
Frequency: 50 to 60 Hz, single phase
Line Voltage: 100 to 240 VAC
Output Voltage/Current: 9 VDC/2.2 A
Minimum Power Output: 20 W
Output Port: USB-C
The latest USB C sockets inbuilt to mains socket plates usually/often
will support faster charging rates
As for will any charger do? You pays your money and takes your choice. I
have a spare cheapish USB C third party charger that I keep in my laptop
bag for use when I'm away from home. It works perfectly BUT this is the
second no-name one I purchased. The first seemed very unreliable with
charging as at times it often resorted to the lowest rate of charging
and was unable to increase the charge in the laptop battery when the
laptop was in use and the battery charge had become low. The replacement
charges the battery to 10% to 80%* in under 30 minutes even when the
laptop is still in use. My phone fast charges quickly from a USB C
charger inbuilt to a mains socket.
* Many manufacturers are now recommending only going to a 80% for
battery longevity. My devices that have USB C charging all have inbuilt
(software) facilities for user selection of stopping the charge when the
battery gets to this 80% level.

Thanks for this detailed response. It looks like some reading will be
needed if and when I get my new iPad Mini. Maybe tomorrow?

If it is anything like my iPad Pro, the charge to 80% setting is in
Settings > battery. Then look for battery health. It should display
normal >
Click on the > and then you will discover the 80% toggle. It’s well hidden!

[Scott]

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 10:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by alan_m

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

If you have a common cable and multiple devices that need charging the
idea was that you don't need multiple chargers that may just sit in a
drawer and later go to landfill unused. You can use your existing charger.
Not supplying a charger with devices that charge via the USB C is
becoming common with the purchase of a phone.
USB C for charging isn't just 5V. The device and charger can negotiate
a higher voltage or higher volts/amps combination for faster charging,
and possibly a lower voltage/amps once the bulk of the charging is
complete. I would also expect an iphone to be monitoring battery
temperature and adjust charging accordingly.
For instance a USB C 65W devices will support the following charging
volts/amps 20V-3.25A / 20V-2.25A / 15V-3A / 12V-3A / 9V-3A / 5V-3A
Iphone recommendation
For fast charging, iPhone 12, iPhone SE (3rd generation), and later
models require a power adapter with a minimum power output of 20 watts,
such as the Apple 20W USB power adapter. If you use a third-party power
Frequency: 50 to 60 Hz, single phase
Line Voltage: 100 to 240 VAC
Output Voltage/Current: 9 VDC/2.2 A
Minimum Power Output: 20 W
Output Port: USB-C
The latest USB C sockets inbuilt to mains socket plates usually/often
will support faster charging rates
As for will any charger do? You pays your money and takes your choice. I
have a spare cheapish USB C third party charger that I keep in my laptop
bag for use when I'm away from home. It works perfectly BUT this is the
second no-name one I purchased. The first seemed very unreliable with
charging as at times it often resorted to the lowest rate of charging
and was unable to increase the charge in the laptop battery when the
laptop was in use and the battery charge had become low. The replacement
charges the battery to 10% to 80%* in under 30 minutes even when the
laptop is still in use. My phone fast charges quickly from a USB C
charger inbuilt to a mains socket.
* Many manufacturers are now recommending only going to a 80% for
battery longevity. My devices that have USB C charging all have inbuilt
(software) facilities for user selection of stopping the charge when the
battery gets to this 80% level.

Thanks for this detailed response. It looks like some reading will be
needed if and when I get my new iPad Mini. Maybe tomorrow?

If it is anything like my iPad Pro, the charge to 80% setting is in
Settings > battery. Then look for battery health. It should display
normal >
Click on the > and then you will discover the 80% toggle. It’s well hidden!

Thanks. Apple are referring to is as 'A17 Pro' so I suspect it will be
very similar. I always assumed that the default settings would be
based on what is best for the battery.

[Tweed]

Post by Scott
On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 10:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by alan_m

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

If you have a common cable and multiple devices that need charging the
idea was that you don't need multiple chargers that may just sit in a
drawer and later go to landfill unused. You can use your existing charger.
Not supplying a charger with devices that charge via the USB C is
becoming common with the purchase of a phone.
USB C for charging isn't just 5V. The device and charger can negotiate
a higher voltage or higher volts/amps combination for faster charging,
and possibly a lower voltage/amps once the bulk of the charging is
complete. I would also expect an iphone to be monitoring battery
temperature and adjust charging accordingly.
For instance a USB C 65W devices will support the following charging
volts/amps 20V-3.25A / 20V-2.25A / 15V-3A / 12V-3A / 9V-3A / 5V-3A
Iphone recommendation
For fast charging, iPhone 12, iPhone SE (3rd generation), and later
models require a power adapter with a minimum power output of 20 watts,
such as the Apple 20W USB power adapter. If you use a third-party power
Frequency: 50 to 60 Hz, single phase
Line Voltage: 100 to 240 VAC
Output Voltage/Current: 9 VDC/2.2 A
Minimum Power Output: 20 W
Output Port: USB-C
The latest USB C sockets inbuilt to mains socket plates usually/often
will support faster charging rates
As for will any charger do? You pays your money and takes your choice. I
have a spare cheapish USB C third party charger that I keep in my laptop
bag for use when I'm away from home. It works perfectly BUT this is the
second no-name one I purchased. The first seemed very unreliable with
charging as at times it often resorted to the lowest rate of charging
and was unable to increase the charge in the laptop battery when the
laptop was in use and the battery charge had become low. The replacement
charges the battery to 10% to 80%* in under 30 minutes even when the
laptop is still in use. My phone fast charges quickly from a USB C
charger inbuilt to a mains socket.
* Many manufacturers are now recommending only going to a 80% for
battery longevity. My devices that have USB C charging all have inbuilt
(software) facilities for user selection of stopping the charge when the
battery gets to this 80% level.

Thanks for this detailed response. It looks like some reading will be
needed if and when I get my new iPad Mini. Maybe tomorrow?

If it is anything like my iPad Pro, the charge to 80% setting is in
Settings > battery. Then look for battery health. It should display
normal >
Click on the > and then you will discover the 80% toggle. It’s well hidden!

Thanks. Apple are referring to is as 'A17 Pro' so I suspect it will be
very similar. I always assumed that the default settings would be
based on what is best for the battery.

I think mine came set to charge to 100%. I can see why. There’d be loads of
people getting back to Apple complaining their device never charged beyond
80%.

[Scott]

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 10:33:46 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Scott
On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 10:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by alan_m

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

If you have a common cable and multiple devices that need charging the
idea was that you don't need multiple chargers that may just sit in a
drawer and later go to landfill unused. You can use your existing charger.
Not supplying a charger with devices that charge via the USB C is
becoming common with the purchase of a phone.
USB C for charging isn't just 5V. The device and charger can negotiate
a higher voltage or higher volts/amps combination for faster charging,
and possibly a lower voltage/amps once the bulk of the charging is
complete. I would also expect an iphone to be monitoring battery
temperature and adjust charging accordingly.
For instance a USB C 65W devices will support the following charging
volts/amps 20V-3.25A / 20V-2.25A / 15V-3A / 12V-3A / 9V-3A / 5V-3A
Iphone recommendation
For fast charging, iPhone 12, iPhone SE (3rd generation), and later
models require a power adapter with a minimum power output of 20 watts,
such as the Apple 20W USB power adapter. If you use a third-party power
Frequency: 50 to 60 Hz, single phase
Line Voltage: 100 to 240 VAC
Output Voltage/Current: 9 VDC/2.2 A
Minimum Power Output: 20 W
Output Port: USB-C
The latest USB C sockets inbuilt to mains socket plates usually/often
will support faster charging rates
As for will any charger do? You pays your money and takes your choice. I
have a spare cheapish USB C third party charger that I keep in my laptop
bag for use when I'm away from home. It works perfectly BUT this is the
second no-name one I purchased. The first seemed very unreliable with
charging as at times it often resorted to the lowest rate of charging
and was unable to increase the charge in the laptop battery when the
laptop was in use and the battery charge had become low. The replacement
charges the battery to 10% to 80%* in under 30 minutes even when the
laptop is still in use. My phone fast charges quickly from a USB C
charger inbuilt to a mains socket.
* Many manufacturers are now recommending only going to a 80% for
battery longevity. My devices that have USB C charging all have inbuilt
(software) facilities for user selection of stopping the charge when the
battery gets to this 80% level.

Thanks for this detailed response. It looks like some reading will be
needed if and when I get my new iPad Mini. Maybe tomorrow?

If it is anything like my iPad Pro, the charge to 80% setting is in
Settings > battery. Then look for battery health. It should display
normal >
Click on the > and then you will discover the 80% toggle. It?s well hidden!

Thanks. Apple are referring to is as 'A17 Pro' so I suspect it will be
very similar. I always assumed that the default settings would be
based on what is best for the battery.

I think mine came set to charge to 100%. I can see why. There’d be loads of
people getting back to Apple complaining their device never charged beyond
80%.

What I assumed - wrongly I assume - was that 100% on the screen
represented 80% in the battery on the basis that the charging would
end before the battery was full. I will certainly investigate this 80%
setting.

As an aside, my friend heard about the USB-C rule but asks if this if
for EU/UK only or worldwide. Does the regulation include USA etc or
indeed do commercial considerations mean in practical terms it will be
adopted worldwide voluntarily?

[Tweed]

Post by Scott
On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 10:33:46 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Scott
On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 10:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by alan_m

Post by Scott
I am looking at buying a new iPad Mini when it is released on
"Please be aware: This iPad includes a USB-C charging cable, but does
not include a USB-C power adapter. Therefore, if you do not already
own one, you will need to purchase the Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter
in order to charge this iPad."
Is this correct or sales talk? I thought the point of USB-C was to
standardise and avoid multiplicity or power adapers. Will any USB-C
charger do and does it need to be 20 Watts?

If you have a common cable and multiple devices that need charging the
idea was that you don't need multiple chargers that may just sit in a
drawer and later go to landfill unused. You can use your existing charger.
Not supplying a charger with devices that charge via the USB C is
becoming common with the purchase of a phone.
USB C for charging isn't just 5V. The device and charger can negotiate
a higher voltage or higher volts/amps combination for faster charging,
and possibly a lower voltage/amps once the bulk of the charging is
complete. I would also expect an iphone to be monitoring battery
temperature and adjust charging accordingly.
For instance a USB C 65W devices will support the following charging
volts/amps 20V-3.25A / 20V-2.25A / 15V-3A / 12V-3A / 9V-3A / 5V-3A
Iphone recommendation
For fast charging, iPhone 12, iPhone SE (3rd generation), and later
models require a power adapter with a minimum power output of 20 watts,
such as the Apple 20W USB power adapter. If you use a third-party power
Frequency: 50 to 60 Hz, single phase
Line Voltage: 100 to 240 VAC
Output Voltage/Current: 9 VDC/2.2 A
Minimum Power Output: 20 W
Output Port: USB-C
The latest USB C sockets inbuilt to mains socket plates usually/often
will support faster charging rates
As for will any charger do? You pays your money and takes your choice. I
have a spare cheapish USB C third party charger that I keep in my laptop
bag for use when I'm away from home. It works perfectly BUT this is the
second no-name one I purchased. The first seemed very unreliable with
charging as at times it often resorted to the lowest rate of charging
and was unable to increase the charge in the laptop battery when the
laptop was in use and the battery charge had become low. The replacement
charges the battery to 10% to 80%* in under 30 minutes even when the
laptop is still in use. My phone fast charges quickly from a USB C
charger inbuilt to a mains socket.
* Many manufacturers are now recommending only going to a 80% for
battery longevity. My devices that have USB C charging all have inbuilt
(software) facilities for user selection of stopping the charge when the
battery gets to this 80% level.

Thanks for this detailed response. It looks like some reading will be
needed if and when I get my new iPad Mini. Maybe tomorrow?

If it is anything like my iPad Pro, the charge to 80% setting is in
Settings > battery. Then look for battery health. It should display
normal >
Click on the > and then you will discover the 80% toggle. It?s well hidden!

Thanks. Apple are referring to is as 'A17 Pro' so I suspect it will be
very similar. I always assumed that the default settings would be
based on what is best for the battery.

I think mine came set to charge to 100%. I can see why. There’d be loads of
people getting back to Apple complaining their device never charged beyond
80%.

What I assumed - wrongly I assume - was that 100% on the screen
represented 80% in the battery on the basis that the charging would
end before the battery was full. I will certainly investigate this 80%
setting.
As an aside, my friend heard about the USB-C rule but asks if this if
for EU/UK only or worldwide. Does the regulation include USA etc or
indeed do commercial considerations mean in practical terms it will be
adopted worldwide voluntarily?

As far as I know the USB-C rule is EU only. The UK is consulting via ofcom
(I think) to see if we want to follow. I guess the USA will follow on
commercial grounds. As a general rule the US innovates and Europe enforces
standards. Both have their place in the world.

[alan_m]

Post by Scott
I always assumed that the default settings would be
based on what is best for the battery.

No :)

Albeit not apple, but on my devices the defaults were set to a 100% charge.

There were a few other settings that could be changed to give a longer
operational time on a full (80%) charge such as the display update rate
with the higher update possibly only required if you are a serious
gamer. My use of my phone is to make and receive calls, control some
"smart home" features, checking my energy utility usage/bills, some
shopping applications, view my security cameras remotely and some
internet usage when away from home, none of which require my phone to be
configured for best display performance.

[Scott]

Thanks everyone. One final clarification:

I received my iPad Mini A17 on Thursday, which comes without a
charger. I have a Pixel USB-C charger rated at 18 Watts (two pin
version). I would like to retain this for my travels. Can I assume:

1. Google Pixel qualifies as a reputable brand.
2. There is no problem using an 18 Watt charger in place of the 20
Watt charger recommended by Apple.

I know it works. I am just wondering if there could be any conflicts.

[Tweed]

Post by Scott
I received my iPad Mini A17 on Thursday, which comes without a
charger. I have a Pixel USB-C charger rated at 18 Watts (two pin
1. Google Pixel qualifies as a reputable brand.
2. There is no problem using an 18 Watt charger in place of the 20
Watt charger recommended by Apple.
I know it works. I am just wondering if there could be any conflicts.

If it is a genuine Google Pixel charger then yes. Did it come packed with
the phone?
An 18W charger will charge the iPad more slowly, but it should be marginal.
The only, unlikely, caveat being that the devices have a mutual
misunderstanding during power capability negotiations and the charger stays
in a much lower power mode. The usb monitor I suggested will soon tell you.

[Scott]

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:16:56 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
I received my iPad Mini A17 on Thursday, which comes without a
charger. I have a Pixel USB-C charger rated at 18 Watts (two pin
1. Google Pixel qualifies as a reputable brand.
2. There is no problem using an 18 Watt charger in place of the 20
Watt charger recommended by Apple.
I know it works. I am just wondering if there could be any conflicts.

If it is a genuine Google Pixel charger then yes. Did it come packed with
the phone?
An 18W charger will charge the iPad more slowly, but it should be marginal.
The only, unlikely, caveat being that the devices have a mutual
misunderstanding during power capability negotiations and the charger stays
in a much lower power mode. The usb monitor I suggested will soon tell you.

Thanks. The two pin charger was not supplied direct by Google but I am
very confident it is genuine. I have used it for a long time with my
phone, and previous phone, without difficulty. I will order up the usb
monitor (now that I have extra time on my hands after testing positive
for coronavirus!).

[alan_m]

Post by Scott
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:16:56 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
I received my iPad Mini A17 on Thursday, which comes without a
charger. I have a Pixel USB-C charger rated at 18 Watts (two pin
1. Google Pixel qualifies as a reputable brand.
2. There is no problem using an 18 Watt charger in place of the 20
Watt charger recommended by Apple.
I know it works. I am just wondering if there could be any conflicts.

If it is a genuine Google Pixel charger then yes. Did it come packed with
the phone?
An 18W charger will charge the iPad more slowly, but it should be marginal.
The only, unlikely, caveat being that the devices have a mutual
misunderstanding during power capability negotiations and the charger stays
in a much lower power mode. The usb monitor I suggested will soon tell you.

Thanks. The two pin charger was not supplied direct by Google but I am
very confident it is genuine. I have used it for a long time with my
phone, and previous phone, without difficulty. I will order up the usb
monitor (now that I have extra time on my hands after testing positive
for coronavirus!).

I'm not sure that you need the monitor. It should be fairly clear that
your phone is fast charging. There may even be an app that can give you
the information :)