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Tweed
2023-09-19 20:29:39 UTC
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Not seen this mentioned before:

https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/british-broadcasters-bring-free-linear-channels-freely-streaming-service


Public service broadcasters in the United Kingdom are banding together to
create a new streaming service that unifies free linear versions of
broadcast channels and on-demand content in a single experience.

The service, called Freely, will see dozens of channels from the BBC, ITV,
Channel 4 and Paramount-owned Channel 5 distributed on one service baked
into newer-model smart TVs, starting next year.

Freely is being developed by Everyone TV, a joint venture operated by the
four public broadcasters that also oversees Freeview, the digital broadcast
platform in the U.K., and a similar, satellite-based service called
Freesat.

Between them, Freeview and Freesat offer nearly 200 national television
channels and radio stations through their platforms, while on-demand
content is limited to app-based services like BBC iPlayer, ITVX and the
streaming version of Channel 4. Both Freeview and Freesat offer devices
that marry over-the-air or satellite-delivered linear channels with
streaming services, and the Freeview platform is widely supported on smart
TV sets with an integrated digital tuner.

At the moment, no similar streaming alternative exists: While cable
companies and Comcast's Sky satellite service offer streaming versions of
their platforms, those service charge monthly fees on top of the mandatory
annual television tax that British households and businesses must pay if
they watch or record live broadcast channels. (The television tax, called a
license, primarily funds the BBC's TV and radio channels.) The present-day
situation means those who are increasingly gravitating toward streaming
apps for their linear and on-demand content needs are having to do so by
bouncing around services.

Freely is being designed to remove that friction by offering the same core
channels found on Freeview and Freesat. In doing so, the officials behind
Freely and Everyone TV hopes that Freely replicates the linear content
experience that is already found on the other two services, but without the
need to install an over-the-air antenna or satellite dish.

"This new development is a reflection of the fact that a growing number of
UK viewers are watching content online, but still want easy access to the
shared experience of live TV," Jonathan Thompson, the CEO of Everyone TV,
said in a statement. "Our aim is to ensure that all viewers have access to
a free, aggregated live TV experience that champions British content and is
delivered in a way that suits audience needs and preferences. Every one of
us should be able to share in the best of British ideas and creativity on
TV."

Fewer Watching Linear TV

For the broadcasters, the streaming push is also part of an overall
strategy of survivability: As in other countries, British TV viewers are
increasingly moving away from linear television in favor of more-convenient
streaming options. A survey released early last year showed around one in
four British TV viewers have abandoned linear television entirely, while
another 25% of TV viewers say they've scaled back how much live TV they're
watching in any given week.

The trend of TV viewers moving away from traditional linear TV transcends
age brackets, with the majority of young viewers between the ages of 18 to
34 saying they're spending at least two hours a day watching streaming
content, while nearly half of those between the ages of 35 and 54 affirming
the same, according to a survey released by The Trade Desk last September.
Meanwhile, 54% of adults aged 35 to 54 are watching less linear TV, the
survey showed.

"The TV landscape is undergoing a transformation that’s redefining the
viewing experience, as well as the advertising industry as a result," Dave
Castell, the lead analyst for TV partnerships at The Trade Desk, said in a
statement. "The rise of streaming has ushered in a new model of TV
consumption, in which every content creator is providing the consumer with
choice — and consumers expect to watch what they want, when they want, and
how they want."

The decline in live TV's audience is particularly problematic for ITV and
Channel 4, whose broadcast activities are entirely funded by advertising
(Channel 4 is publicly-owned, but receives no money from the television
license). The same financial headwinds that have impacted advertising rates
in other parts of the world have also caused a slowdown in related revenue
for ITV and Channel 4, as marketers shift their budgets toward connected TV
services.

Proponents of linear television, including Everyone TV, say the broadcast
networks still have something to offer British viewers: Collective cultural
moments that can only be experienced through live TV events like sports
tournaments.

"These national TV moments...are instances of an increasingly rare
circumstance of common cause, often crossing the boundaries of age, class
or enthusiasm," Thompson wrote in a blog post last week. "They are made
accessible and available to all through universally-available, free TV, and
they attract audiences of a magnitude that...are an exception rather than
the rule."

On Monday, executives at the public service broadcasters affirmed the
forthcoming Freely service is intended to help bring the same magic of live
TV to viewers who have married themselves to streaming services.

"Streaming TV is increasingly the new normal for audiences, particularly
young viewers, so it has never been more important for trusted [public
service broadcasting] content to be readily available to everyone, for
free," Alex Mahon, the CEO of Channel 4, said in a statement.
Roderick Stewart
2023-09-20 05:42:56 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:29:39 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
Post by Tweed
https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/british-broadcasters-bring-free-linear-channels-freely-streaming-service
It was on the Daily Mail web page the other day. It looks like another
streaming channel carrying a selection of the outputs of the existing
broadcast channels. I'm not sure what, if anything, it will offer that
we can't already see elsewhere.

I understand that it will be carrying broadcast programmes 'live',
i.e. simultaneously with conventional broadcasts, in which case I
suspect its real purpose is to try to popularise a streaming service
which will require a TV licence to watch it. They really don't want to
let it go.

If they are planning to include new material that cannot be seen by
simply waiting until it appears on one of the catchup services (which
with the exception of BBC iPlayer do not require a TV licence) then it
will have to be something really good to stand any chance of competing
with what every other internet streaming service is already doing.

Rod.
SH
2023-09-20 07:32:04 UTC
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Post by Roderick Stewart
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:29:39 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
Post by Tweed
https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/british-broadcasters-bring-free-linear-channels-freely-streaming-service
It was on the Daily Mail web page the other day. It looks like another
streaming channel carrying a selection of the outputs of the existing
broadcast channels. I'm not sure what, if anything, it will offer that
we can't already see elsewhere.
I understand that it will be carrying broadcast programmes 'live',
i.e. simultaneously with conventional broadcasts, in which case I
suspect its real purpose is to try to popularise a streaming service
which will require a TV licence to watch it. They really don't want to
let it go.
If they are planning to include new material that cannot be seen by
simply waiting until it appears on one of the catchup services (which
with the exception of BBC iPlayer do not require a TV licence) then it
will have to be something really good to stand any chance of competing
with what every other internet streaming service is already doing.
Rod.
Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.

It will also probably require a certain percentage of mobile networks to
be 5g capable so all those caravanners, campers, etc are not
disenfranchised.

Sky are already on this road with Sky Glass so once 95% of their
subscribers are on Sky Glass, the Satellite channels will be closed
down..... and all those sky dishes left to rust, and all the sky dish
fitters given their P45's.....
JMB99
2023-09-20 08:07:37 UTC
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I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the closure
of Freesat thank to Freely.
To paraphrase a later message in the thread, that must be the nth time
that has been forecast.
SH
2023-09-20 08:16:33 UTC
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Post by JMB99
I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the closure
of Freesat thank to Freely.
To paraphrase a later message in the thread, that must be the nth time
that has been forecast.
and since many radio stations are also broadcast on Freeview & Freesat,
and presumably will also appear on Freely, How much time left do the FM
and DAB transmitters have?

S.
JMB99
2023-09-20 09:39:14 UTC
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Post by SH
and since many radio stations are also broadcast on Freeview & Freesat,
and presumably will also appear on Freely, How much time left do the FM
and DAB transmitters have?
And that is the (n x 100)th time that has been predicted.

I can remember many years ago when most people only had a dial-up
connections, there were people posting that we could close down all
terrestrial broadcasting!
SH
2023-09-21 17:36:31 UTC
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Post by JMB99
Post by SH
and since many radio stations are also broadcast on Freeview &
Freesat, and presumably will also appear on Freely, How much time left
do the FM and DAB transmitters have?
And that is the (n x 100)th time that has been predicted.
I can remember many years ago when most people only had a dial-up
connections, there were people posting that we could close down all
terrestrial broadcasting!
https://retra.co.uk/news/timeline-of-changes-to-freeview-and-satellite-tv

S.
Andy Burns
2023-09-21 17:58:28 UTC
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Post by SH
https://retra.co.uk/news/timeline-of-changes-to-freeview-and-satellite-tv
Ah so they're shutting freeview before the Y2K34 bug kicks in?
</twilight-zone-music>
Eddie King
2023-09-20 10:34:42 UTC
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Post by SH
Post by JMB99
Post by SH
I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
To paraphrase a later message in the thread, that must be the nth time
that has been forecast.
and since many radio stations are also broadcast on Freeview & Freesat,
and presumably will also appear on Freely, How much time left do the FM
and DAB transmitters have?
S.
I always think this idea that everything is available online and
terrestrial transmitters will no longer be required is extremely
short-sighted.

I wonder how many people do not realise that if there is a major power
outage which could be expected in emergency situations, their telephones
(landline and mobile) not to mention the interweb will no longer function.

I may be repeating myself here, but if I were respionsible, I would
require Droitwich on 198kHz to be kept at least available on stand-by
thus being available in most parts of the country. The problem with this
is I expect nowadays many households can no longer receive longwave
transissions.

Oh well.
Eddie King
2023-09-20 10:36:48 UTC
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Post by Eddie King
Post by SH
Post by JMB99
Post by SH
I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
To paraphrase a later message in the thread, that must be the nth
time that has been forecast.
and since many radio stations are also broadcast on Freeview &
Freesat, and presumably will also appear on Freely, How much time left
do the FM and DAB transmitters have?
S.
I always think this idea that everything is available online and
terrestrial transmitters will no longer be required is extremely
short-sighted.
I wonder how many people do not realise that if there is a major power
outage which could be expected in emergency situations, their telephones
(landline and mobile) not to mention the interweb will no longer function.
I may be repeating myself here, but if I were respionsible, I would
require Droitwich on 198kHz to be kept at least available on stand-by
thus being available in most parts of the country. The problem with this
is I expect nowadays many households can no longer receive longwave
transissions.
Oh well.
sorry for the spilling mistooks in the previous massage
Jeff Gaines
2023-09-20 08:32:09 UTC
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Post by SH
Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
There has been a suggestion that the reason we can't trace domestic
broadcasts in other galaxies is because they've all moved on to fibre and
streaming.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
I was standing in the park wondering why Frisbees got bigger as they get
closer.
Then it hit me.
Wilf
2023-09-20 09:01:52 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gaines
Post by SH
Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
There has been a suggestion that the reason we can't trace domestic
broadcasts in other galaxies is because they've all moved on to fibre and
streaming.
Or they just use ordinary telepathy.
--
Wilf
Jeff Gaines
2023-09-20 09:15:55 UTC
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Post by Wilf
Post by Jeff Gaines
Post by SH
Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
There has been a suggestion that the reason we can't trace domestic
broadcasts in other galaxies is because they've all moved on to fibre and
streaming.
Or they just use ordinary telepathy.
:-)
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
Chris J Dixon
2023-09-20 11:11:18 UTC
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Post by SH
Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
Personally, having Freeview and a PVR, I watch very little live,
and occasionally use catch-up if I don't have enough channels
available for recording.

I guess that all the broadcasters want to remove the ability to
skip adverts. I can't see mainstream manufacturers being able to
produce boxes that will download for later watching, it will be
blocked by the broadcasters, in the same way that Pure no longer
provide the ability to record radio to a card.

I have no desire to have to knit my own techy solution and strew
the bits around the living room.

Chris
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Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
***@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.
Chris Green
2023-09-20 12:22:37 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by SH
Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
Personally, having Freeview and a PVR, I watch very little live,
and occasionally use catch-up if I don't have enough channels
available for recording.
I guess that all the broadcasters want to remove the ability to
skip adverts. I can't see mainstream manufacturers being able to
produce boxes that will download for later watching, it will be
blocked by the broadcasters, in the same way that Pure no longer
provide the ability to record radio to a card.
I have no desire to have to knit my own techy solution and strew
the bits around the living room.
Given the quality (or not) of current programmes I am less and less
inclined to jump through hoops in order to watch anything. As it
becomes more difficult I simply watch less. In fact when I'm at home
by myself and no one else turns the TV on to watch I just about never
watch anything.
--
Chris Green
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Chris J Dixon
2023-09-20 12:48:27 UTC
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Post by Chris Green
Given the quality (or not) of current programmes I am less and less
inclined to jump through hoops in order to watch anything. As it
becomes more difficult I simply watch less. In fact when I'm at home
by myself and no one else turns the TV on to watch I just about never
watch anything.
Each time the old PVR filled with stuff, much of which was
recorded at the behest of the other 50% of the household, I had
to spend ages copying it off to DVD. At least the new HD PVR has
greater capacity, and I can't copy off the material, so decisions
have to be made as the free space counts down. One or two sets
have already been culled, unseen.

If broadcasting ceased tomorrow, I reckon we would have enough to
watch for at least a year.

I will say that, since the smart TV has a pretty good Youtube
interface, I have found a lot of really interesting channels to
follow, many of which are much more viewable than broadcast
material.

Chris
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Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
***@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.
Jeff Layman
2023-09-20 13:10:05 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by SH
Once say 95% of households have access to internet at greater than 20
Mb/s, I can foresee the closure of the Freeview transmitters and the
closure of Freesat thank to Freely.
Personally, having Freeview and a PVR, I watch very little live,
and occasionally use catch-up if I don't have enough channels
available for recording.
I guess that all the broadcasters want to remove the ability to
skip adverts. I can't see mainstream manufacturers being able to
produce boxes that will download for later watching, it will be
blocked by the broadcasters, in the same way that Pure no longer
provide the ability to record radio to a card.
I have no desire to have to knit my own techy solution and strew
the bits around the living room.
It really requires a freeware (or relatively inexpensive) program to
record the stream and then play it back, with the ability to change the
speed of the replayed program, or jump varying amounts. Of course, this
could be defeated fairly simply by encoding the stream and making the
decoder available only to TV manufacturers as a pre-programmed chip
(isn't that what's already done with OTA HD PVRs?). I've little doubt
that the chip could also be made programmable so that if the encryption
was broken at any time, the stream and chip could be reprogrammed with
the new encryption/decryption.

I guess it would be possible to "play" the stream on a spare TV and
point a camera at it to record the program for future viewing with
"editing", but I think that would be getting more than a bit OTT!
--
Jeff
Jeff Gaines
2023-09-20 14:28:44 UTC
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I guess it would be possible to "play" the stream on a spare TV and point
a camera at it to record the program for future viewing with "editing",
but I think that would be getting more than a bit OTT!
Intercept the HDMI connection with an iSolem video splitter and Globmall
HD Game Capture Box:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Save it as an MP4 and you have it for keeps.
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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.
Java Jive
2023-09-20 14:47:43 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
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Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
Jeff Gaines
2023-09-20 16:03:02 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
I bought them some while ago, you just need to look for alternatives.
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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.
Jeff Layman
2023-09-20 16:10:41 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
In the "Compare with similar items" towards the bottom of the page there
are three listed. Do they all do the same thing?
Post by Java Jive
Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
No "Compare with similar items" on that page, but there is a "Customers
who viewed this item also viewed" and that seems to have a similar device.

This is an area I know nothing about. Where does the HDMI signal come
from and where is it supposed to go to? Where and how do I save it as an
MP4 file? My Panasonic TV's HDMI ports are for input only (other than
ARC). My Panasonic PVR's HDMI port is for output only. Do I assume that
I get iPlayer on my laptop and use its HDMI output to feed the TV? Am I
supposed to use something like VLC to view the iPlayer stream and
convert it to an MP4 file?

Looking at the manuals for both Panasonics, it seems the PVR can act as
a server and client (DLNA). It will mean a lot more reading for me, but
at a quick look HDMI isn't involved. Similarly the TV can be used with a
home network, but that's with Ethernet or wifi. I think my smartphone
can cast to the TV, and I think I read somewhere that it's possible with
Linux Mint to cast to the TV from my laptop. All of this seems much more
complicated than using the PVR to record a programme and play it back!
Perhaps it's just because it's new and unfamiliar.
--
Jeff
Jeff Gaines
2023-09-20 18:18:45 UTC
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This is an area I know nothing about. Where does the HDMI signal come from
and where is it supposed to go to? Where and how do I save it as an MP4
file? My Panasonic TV's HDMI ports are for input only (other than ARC). My
Panasonic PVR's HDMI port is for output only. Do I assume that I get
iPlayer on my laptop and use its HDMI output to feed the TV? Am I supposed
to use something like VLC to view the iPlayer stream and convert it to an
MP4 file?
You take the HDMI output from the PVR, feed it into a splitter then the
Capture box which you hang a hard drive or SSD off. I made myself a
diagram because I always end up holding all the bits in my hands and not
knowing what to connect where. I put it on Dropbox:

Loading Image...
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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Remember, the Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe.
Jeff Layman
2023-09-21 12:22:15 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gaines
This is an area I know nothing about. Where does the HDMI signal come from
and where is it supposed to go to? Where and how do I save it as an MP4
file? My Panasonic TV's HDMI ports are for input only (other than ARC). My
Panasonic PVR's HDMI port is for output only. Do I assume that I get
iPlayer on my laptop and use its HDMI output to feed the TV? Am I supposed
to use something like VLC to view the iPlayer stream and convert it to an
MP4 file?
You take the HDMI output from the PVR, feed it into a splitter then the
Capture box which you hang a hard drive or SSD off. I made myself a
diagram because I always end up holding all the bits in my hands and not
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rq5t5s2g2a4ox0qwke6rg/Video-Capture.png?rlkey=ykdhnbzltvld9u3kbm09pg281&dl=0
So the purpose here is to take the HDMI output and eventually convert it
to a *.MP4 file, which can then be stored or edited?
--
Jeff
Jeff Gaines
2023-09-21 13:35:11 UTC
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Post by Jeff Layman
Post by Jeff Gaines
This is an area I know nothing about. Where does the HDMI signal come from
and where is it supposed to go to? Where and how do I save it as an MP4
file? My Panasonic TV's HDMI ports are for input only (other than ARC). My
Panasonic PVR's HDMI port is for output only. Do I assume that I get
iPlayer on my laptop and use its HDMI output to feed the TV? Am I supposed
to use something like VLC to view the iPlayer stream and convert it to an
MP4 file?
You take the HDMI output from the PVR, feed it into a splitter then the
Capture box which you hang a hard drive or SSD off. I made myself a
diagram because I always end up holding all the bits in my hands and not
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rq5t5s2g2a4ox0qwke6rg/Video-Capture.png?rlkey=ykdhnbzltvld9u3kbm09pg281&dl=0
So the purpose here is to take the HDMI output and eventually convert it
to a *.MP4 file, which can then be stored or edited?
Indeed!

Useful for making an MP4 from a DVD so it can go on the DLNA media server.
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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
I take full responsibility for what happened - that is why the person that
was responsible went immediately.
(Gordon Brown, April 2009)
Bob Latham
2023-09-20 16:21:52 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
Get an HDMI UHF modulator. The two I have place 1080p tv channels
into an extra freeview T mux not a T2 mux but it's still HD. Then get
a cheap chinese freeview tuner box that allows you to plug in a
portable USB hard drive. Tune the freeview tuner to the modulator
output. Record anything with no encryption.

I have tried a single hdmi input modulator from Edision

https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/EDISION-HDMI-MODULATOR-single-DVB-T-Full-HD-Distribution-over-Coax

and a dual (two channels in one mux) from Antiference Conexer.

https://cpc.farnell.com/antiference/dmhd02/twin-input-dvb-t-hdmi-modulator/dp/AP03666

Both types worked fine.

The Edision is supposed to be able to change the LCN to anywhere you
want but it didn't work for me, it always came up as 800 whereas the
Antiference can be set easily.

Bob.
SH
2023-09-20 21:29:22 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
Post by Java Jive
Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
Post by Jeff Gaines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Currently unavailable"
Get an HDMI UHF modulator. The two I have place 1080p tv channels
into an extra freeview T mux not a T2 mux but it's still HD. Then get
a cheap chinese freeview tuner box that allows you to plug in a
portable USB hard drive. Tune the freeview tuner to the modulator
output. Record anything with no encryption.
I have tried a single hdmi input modulator from Edision
https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/EDISION-HDMI-MODULATOR-single-DVB-T-Full-HD-Distribution-over-Coax
and a dual (two channels in one mux) from Antiference Conexer.
https://cpc.farnell.com/antiference/dmhd02/twin-input-dvb-t-hdmi-modulator/dp/AP03666
Both types worked fine.
The Edision is supposed to be able to change the LCN to anywhere you
want but it didn't work for me, it always came up as 800 whereas the
Antiference can be set easily.
Bob.
Another option is this:

https://www.elgato.com/us/en/p/game-capture-hd60-x

Connect a few of these to a PC, Rasp Pi or Laptop and record to the
device's HDDs.

Dont even need any HDMI splitters as this supports passthrough

And this will support 1080P 60 Hz as well (anything higher, it will pass
through and doownsample to 1080P60 for the PC
Jim Lesurf
2023-09-22 09:08:03 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gaines
Intercept the HDMI connection with an iSolem video splitter and Globmall
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Save it as an MP4 and you have it for keeps.
I just use a DVB-T2 usb dongle and the magic 'record' icon of VLC for
non-BBC items. Result is file with the relevant streams transcribed into
it. Can then trim/process if needed with ffmpeg or handbrake (or even VLC).

If someone wants to keep an every growing set of recordings then its worth
noting that these days you can get, say, 8TB SSDs in a USB caddy.

Jim
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Woody
2023-09-22 10:18:02 UTC
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Post by Jim Lesurf
Post by Jeff Gaines
Intercept the HDMI connection with an iSolem video splitter and Globmall
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Save it as an MP4 and you have it for keeps.
I just use a DVB-T2 usb dongle and the magic 'record' icon of VLC for
non-BBC items. Result is file with the relevant streams transcribed into
it. Can then trim/process if needed with ffmpeg or handbrake (or even VLC).
If someone wants to keep an every growing set of recordings then its worth
noting that these days you can get, say, 8TB SSDs in a USB caddy.
Jim
...but it needs to be USB3 or higher - unless you've got from now until
the end of the century to transfer it!
Roderick Stewart
2023-09-23 08:34:20 UTC
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Post by Woody
Post by Jim Lesurf
Post by Jeff Gaines
Intercept the HDMI connection with an iSolem video splitter and Globmall
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Save it as an MP4 and you have it for keeps.
I just use a DVB-T2 usb dongle and the magic 'record' icon of VLC for
non-BBC items. Result is file with the relevant streams transcribed into
it. Can then trim/process if needed with ffmpeg or handbrake (or even VLC).
If someone wants to keep an every growing set of recordings then its worth
noting that these days you can get, say, 8TB SSDs in a USB caddy.
Jim
...but it needs to be USB3 or higher - unless you've got from now until
the end of the century to transfer it!
And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough
to watch all your recorded programmes anyway.

Rod.
Max Demian
2023-09-23 11:06:57 UTC
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Post by Roderick Stewart
Post by Woody
Post by Jim Lesurf
Post by Jeff Gaines
Intercept the HDMI connection with an iSolem video splitter and Globmall
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074Z3K8C1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Save it as an MP4 and you have it for keeps.
I just use a DVB-T2 usb dongle and the magic 'record' icon of VLC for
non-BBC items. Result is file with the relevant streams transcribed into
it. Can then trim/process if needed with ffmpeg or handbrake (or even VLC).
If someone wants to keep an every growing set of recordings then its worth
noting that these days you can get, say, 8TB SSDs in a USB caddy.
Jim
...but it needs to be USB3 or higher - unless you've got from now until
the end of the century to transfer it!
And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough
to watch all your recorded programmes anyway.
I record programmes on DVD so I *don't* have to watch them. I know I've
got them, and that's enough. If I didn't have them on DVD I would have
to decide whether to watch them or not before the HDD fills up (or fails).
--
Max Demian
alan_m
2023-09-24 21:52:40 UTC
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Post by Roderick Stewart
And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough
to watch all your recorded programmes anyway.
Anything worth watching on TV is repeated often enough so no need to
record to archive it.
Record to time shift view or jump through adverts but not to make a copy
that is likely to sit there gathering dust until you die.
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Roderick Stewart
2023-09-25 08:26:11 UTC
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Post by alan_m
Post by Roderick Stewart
And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough
to watch all your recorded programmes anyway.
Anything worth watching on TV is repeated often enough so no need to
record to archive it.
Record to time shift view or jump through adverts but not to make a copy
that is likely to sit there gathering dust until you die.
There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.

Rod.
Wilf
2023-09-25 09:00:55 UTC
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Post by Roderick Stewart
Post by alan_m
Post by Roderick Stewart
And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough
to watch all your recorded programmes anyway.
Anything worth watching on TV is repeated often enough so no need to
record to archive it.
Record to time shift view or jump through adverts but not to make a copy
that is likely to sit there gathering dust until you die.
There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.
Rod.
Recording allows you to skip over the adverts.
--
Wilf
Jeff Layman
2023-09-25 09:40:24 UTC
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Post by Wilf
Post by Roderick Stewart
Post by alan_m
Post by Roderick Stewart
And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough
to watch all your recorded programmes anyway.
Anything worth watching on TV is repeated often enough so no need to
record to archive it.
Record to time shift view or jump through adverts but not to make a copy
that is likely to sit there gathering dust until you die.
There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.
Rod.
Recording allows you to skip over the adverts.
What I miss with streaming is the ability to use slow-motion and step
frame, which are both available on my Panasonic PVR.
--
Jeff
Paul Ratcliffe
2023-09-25 16:22:14 UTC
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Post by Jeff Layman
What I miss with streaming is the ability to use slow-motion and step
frame, which are both available on my Panasonic PVR.
And speeding up to skip through stuff.
Jeff Layman
2023-09-25 18:17:37 UTC
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Post by Paul Ratcliffe
Post by Jeff Layman
What I miss with streaming is the ability to use slow-motion and step
frame, which are both available on my Panasonic PVR.
And speeding up to skip through stuff.
That's possible when streaming - or at least it is on my Panasonic TV.
But it's rather coarse, and jumps by a lot. What I find odd about
iPlayer is that if the programme you're streaming is still live, you can
speed through it, but other than watching the clock timer you have no
idea where you are as there are no thumbnails visible. They are visible
if you stream a programme which has finished. Why?
--
Jeff
Chris J Dixon
2023-09-25 09:03:18 UTC
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Post by Roderick Stewart
There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.
The biggest issue for me would be the inability to avoid the
adverts.

I have watched Yesterday online occasionally, as my Freeview
reception on the channel is not good. Sometimes there are lengthy
ad breaks, but on other occasions the ad bumpers run back to
back.

Maybe advertisers don't want to sell to rail enthusiasts? ;-)

Chris
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Tweed
2023-09-25 09:41:27 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Roderick Stewart
There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.
The biggest issue for me would be the inability to avoid the
adverts.
I have watched Yesterday online occasionally, as my Freeview
reception on the channel is not good. Sometimes there are lengthy
ad breaks, but on other occasions the ad bumpers run back to
back.
Maybe advertisers don't want to sell to rail enthusiasts? ;-)
Chris
Skipping adverts is the main reason we pay for Sky Q. As well as recording
and then playing back broadcast material to skip adverts, all the online
streamed stuff goes first to the hard disk allowing the ads to be skipped.
There are no unskipable adverts like there are on many streaming services.
JMB99
2023-09-25 11:54:14 UTC
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Post by Tweed
Skipping adverts is the main reason we pay for Sky Q. As well as
recording and then playing back broadcast material to skip adverts, all
the online streamed stuff goes first to the hard disk allowing the ads
to be skipped. There are no unskipable adverts like there are on many
streaming services.
Didn't one of the commercial stations (Channel 4 possibly) at one time
manage to restrict skipping adverts?

It was some years ago but not seen recently but rarely watch Channel 4
and rarer for there to be something worth recording on Channel 4.
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
2023-09-25 12:53:00 UTC
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Post by JMB99
Didn't one of the commercial stations (Channel 4 possibly) at one
time manage to restrict skipping adverts?
Only in their own web streaming service, not the programmes they allowed Sky to
stream to hard disk.

But the original Channel 4 streaming service was so crap you'd get part way
through a programme and it would stop and you never got to see the end, even
days later. Gave up using it.

Angus
JMB99
2023-09-25 14:51:00 UTC
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Post by Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
Only in their own web streaming service, not the programmes they allowed
Sky to stream to hard disk.
It was broadcast TV - terrestrial (never had satellite).
Jim Lesurf
2023-09-27 09:30:04 UTC
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Post by JMB99
Didn't one of the commercial stations (Channel 4 possibly) at one time
manage to restrict skipping adverts?
I can't recall if it was Ch4 or ITV, but I tried one of their 'web' access
methods years ago. And found that *any* use of pause, rewind, etc, prompted
being subject to the same series of ads before you could see any more of
the programme. Only tried it once. PITA. Even recording onto DVD made more
sense!

Jim
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JMB99
2023-09-25 11:50:39 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
Maybe advertisers don't want to sell to rail enthusiasts?
That will probably just make advertising during programmes for
trainspotters cheaper so the advertiser might but more space during
those programmes because so cheap.
Jim Lesurf
2023-09-27 09:30:02 UTC
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have watched Yesterday online occasionally, as my Freeview reception on
the channel is not good. Sometimes there are lengthy ad breaks, but on
other occasions the ad bumpers run back to back.
Maybe advertisers don't want to sell to rail enthusiasts? ;-)
Well, apart from the 'Hornby' series I've enjoyed the 'Electro Retro
Repair' series - admittedly partly because I know 'T' and used to work with
him. Good to see the old logo on TV as well.:-)

Jim
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JMB99
2023-09-25 11:48:05 UTC
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Post by Roderick Stewart
There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
recordings that the broadcasters have already made. I still have the
means to play discs, but nowadays I find that I hardly ever do.
That relies on the streaming company leaving their whole back catalogue
available and often the most interesting programmes are not ones they
are least likely to leave accessible.
Paul Ratcliffe
2023-09-25 16:21:25 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 09:26:11 +0100, Roderick Stewart
Post by Roderick Stewart
There seems little point in going to the trouble of making your own
recordings when a cheap streaming device will enable you to access the
recordings that the broadcasters have already made.
Until 'they' decide for whatever reason to 'cancel' or censor the thing
you want to watch, which used to be available but isn't any more.

Still peddling the same old stuff Rod.
I expect even when you're dead you'll still find some way of dissing
everything.
Jim Lesurf
2023-09-26 09:15:04 UTC
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And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough to
watch all your recorded programmes anyway.
The point for me is quicker choice. I can find files of AV far quicker than
I can find a specific CD or DVD. (Generating a file list and using grep,
for example.)

Also a small caddy takes up much less space that a huge pile of CDs/DVDs.

If I want to shift a lot of AV from one machine to another, I just unplug
the 8TB USB SSD and walk it from one to the other.

Jim
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SH
2023-09-26 20:40:47 UTC
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Post by Jim Lesurf
And there will come a point where you know you won't live long enough to
watch all your recorded programmes anyway.
The point for me is quicker choice. I can find files of AV far quicker than
I can find a specific CD or DVD. (Generating a file list and using grep,
for example.)
Also a small caddy takes up much less space that a huge pile of CDs/DVDs.
If I want to shift a lot of AV from one machine to another, I just unplug
the 8TB USB SSD and walk it from one to the other.
Jim
yes, nothing is faster than sneakernet.....
Jim Lesurf
2023-09-28 09:00:05 UTC
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Post by SH
yes, nothing is faster than sneakernet.....
I've taken to calling it 'slippernet' as I wear those these days, not
sneakers. :-)

Jim
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SH
2023-09-28 18:06:43 UTC
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Post by Jim Lesurf
Post by SH
yes, nothing is faster than sneakernet.....
I've taken to calling it 'slippernet' as I wear those these days, not
sneakers. :-)
Jim
Very good!

:-D
Jim Lesurf
2023-09-26 09:15:06 UTC
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Post by Woody
Post by Jim Lesurf
If someone wants to keep an every growing set of recordings then its
worth noting that these days you can get, say, 8TB SSDs in a USB caddy.
Jim
...but it needs to be USB3 or higher - unless you've got from now until
the end of the century to transfer it!
Well, the machines I use will transfer a an HD recording of a hour or two
in a few seconds. Seems fast enough to me. Bulk transfers can be done
while I have a cup of tea.

Jim
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R. Mark Clayton
2023-09-26 12:26:26 UTC
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Post by Jim Lesurf
Post by Woody
Post by Jim Lesurf
If someone wants to keep an every growing set of recordings then its
worth noting that these days you can get, say, 8TB SSDs in a USB caddy.
Jim
...but it needs to be USB3 or higher - unless you've got from now until
the end of the century to transfer it!
Well, the machines I use will transfer a an HD recording of a hour or two
in a few seconds.
Impressive, but I suspect that you are confusing bits an bytes.

"The theoretical transfer speed of USB 3.0 is 4.8 Gbit/s (600MBps) vs. 480 Mbit/s (60MBps) which is a 10X improvement. Sustained transfer speeds (real life) for external hard drives are about 85MBps for USB 3.0 and about 22MBps for USB 2.0, so about a 5X improvement but still a significant advancement in transfer speed.
"
Post by Jim Lesurf
Seems fast enough to me. Bulk transfers can be done
while I have a cup of tea.
OTOH you should be able to copy a 2 hour full HD movie while you have a cup of tea. For 4k video add the time it takes to brew it...
Post by Jim Lesurf
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JMB99
2023-09-26 14:19:07 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
"The theoretical transfer speed of USB 3.0 is 4.8 Gbit/s (600MBps) vs.
480 Mbit/s (60MBps) which is a 10X improvement. Sustained transfer
speeds (real life) for external hard drives are about 85MBps for USB 3.0
and about 22MBps for USB 2.0, so about a 5X improvement but still a
significant advancement in transfer speed.
It all depends, a friend in the US told me a few years ago that he
transferred all his photographs to the 'Cloud'. It took ages on his
slow broadband at home (just outside SF) - my BT was faster.

A few years later he did it from his office, I think they had an
Exabit/s circuit at least. Took a few minutes.
Jim Lesurf
2023-09-28 09:00:15 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Impressive, but I suspect that you are confusing bits an bytes.
Probably more that I'm not allowing for cacheing, etc. Curious now, so I'll
do a test using one of the 8TBSSDs and the fast laptop I use for processing
AV. Certainly gives a good 'fire and forget' speed. :-)

FWIW if someone can find the relevant issue, I wrote about this in a recent
HFN.

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Jim Lesurf
2023-09-21 09:30:03 UTC
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Post by Roderick Stewart
If they are planning to include new material that cannot be seen by
simply waiting until it appears on one of the catchup services (which
with the exception of BBC iPlayer do not require a TV licence) then it
will have to be something really good to stand any chance of competing
with what every other internet streaming service is already doing.
It will be convenient from my POV if it will be possible to use openly
available software to watch it via a computer. Particularly if it can be
recorded and inc decent HD. That would certainly justy the Licence for me.
However I guess they will be determined to prevent this.

Jim
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Roderick Stewart
2023-09-21 10:31:46 UTC
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Post by Jim Lesurf
Post by Roderick Stewart
If they are planning to include new material that cannot be seen by
simply waiting until it appears on one of the catchup services (which
with the exception of BBC iPlayer do not require a TV licence) then it
will have to be something really good to stand any chance of competing
with what every other internet streaming service is already doing.
It will be convenient from my POV if it will be possible to use openly
available software to watch it via a computer. Particularly if it can be
recorded and inc decent HD. That would certainly justy the Licence for me.
However I guess they will be determined to prevent this.
Jim
I can't think of any justification for a licence paid to one
broadcaster for the right to watch other broadcasters' programmes.
Thankfully a licence is not required to watch them on internet catchup
services. It's only required in order to watch the BBC's own internet
catchup service, which effectively makes it the most expensive
streaming subscription of the lot, so the best one to ditch first for
anyone who is trying to economise.

The BBC could survive by fair and honest means if it wants to, earning
its living by the quality of what it offers, like all the others, but
it won't survive if it tries to live in the past. Assuming that it
will always be given a fixed income regardless of what it does,
because it is somehow 'special', is a bit like a teenager relying on a
parental allowance without any awareness of how the real world
functions. It'll be interesting to see what happens in 2027 when the
charter runs out. My guess is that the BBC probably won't change until
change is forced upon it. Nothing clarifies your mind like the need to
earn your own living to pay the bills.

Rod.
Bob Latham
2023-09-21 18:39:54 UTC
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Post by Roderick Stewart
I can't think of any justification for a licence paid to one
broadcaster for the right to watch other broadcasters' programmes.
Indeed. It's not too dissimilar to a protection racket, you have a
demand for money (with menaces) from a third party which you have to
pay you can go about your chosen business.

Not satisfied with that, they then use the money they've extorted
from you to pump you with propaganda.

Bob.
Java Jive
2023-09-21 18:48:49 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
Post by Roderick Stewart
I can't think of any justification for a licence paid to one
broadcaster for the right to watch other broadcasters' programmes.
Indeed. It's not too dissimilar to a protection racket, you have a
demand for money (with menaces) from a third party which you have to
pay you can go about your chosen business.
Not satisfied with that, they then use the money they've extorted
from you to pump you with propaganda.
TRANSLATION: "propaganda" = "news that doesn't support my bigoted
right-wing view of the world"
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Wilf
2023-09-21 20:49:43 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Roderick Stewart
I can't think of any justification for a licence paid to one
broadcaster for the right to watch other broadcasters' programmes.
Indeed. It's not too dissimilar to a protection racket, you have a
demand for money (with menaces) from a third party which you have to
pay you can go about your chosen business.
Not satisfied with that, they then use the money they've extorted
from you to pump you with propaganda.
TRANSLATION: "propaganda" = "news that doesn't support my bigoted
right-wing view of the world"
Spot on.
--
Wilf
Bob Latham
2023-09-22 19:04:46 UTC
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Post by Wilf
Post by Java Jive
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Roderick Stewart
I can't think of any justification for a licence paid to one
broadcaster for the right to watch other broadcasters' programmes.
Indeed. It's not too dissimilar to a protection racket, you have a
demand for money (with menaces) from a third party which you have to
pay you can go about your chosen business.
Not satisfied with that, they then use the money they've extorted
from you to pump you with propaganda.
TRANSLATION: "propaganda" = "news that doesn't support my bigoted
right-wing view of the world"
Spot on.
In this age of unreason, anyone who tells the truth instead of going
along with the Emperor's new clothes ideologies is now far right.

Here's a short clip from a Melanie Phillips interview. She really is
"spot on", and says it far better than I.


Anyone who doesn't agree with the new "educated people" ideologies
and can see them for what they are, has to be insulted and shut down
by the "be nice" hypocritical left always keen to make the personal
attack.

BBC & MSM doesn't support the truth but does support an agenda.

Propaganda.
Not taking the vaccine will mean you can kill granny, you must have
the vaccine or lose your job and not be allowed anywhere public.

Propaganda.
The vaccine is safe and effective.

Propaganda.
Wearing a mask reduces the spread of the virus.

Propaganda.
Some women have a penis.

Propaganda.
Clips of 'Horrible Histories' programme they push at kids claims
Britain's history was full of great Black people?
There were very, very few black or brown people in the UK before the
1960s. I know, I was here.

Propaganda.
The earth is "boiling" and it's your fault.

Propaganda.
Destroying everyone's freedom of movement and speech, netzero, not
eating meat, etc. are all essential to save the planet.

The list of bullshit presented as fact goes on and on.

The nation's elite and "educated" people gaslit into driving our
total destruction. I fear when the penny does finally drop with these
people it will be far too late. Dark times ahead thanks to cultural
idiocy.

I realise I'm wasting my time, it is impossible to reason someone out
of a cult they were not reasoned into. If it makes your weak
arguments feel stronger please feel free to make further personal
attacks.


Bob.
Java Jive
2023-09-22 20:52:30 UTC
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Post by Wilf
Post by Java Jive
TRANSLATION: "propaganda" = "news that doesn't support my bigoted
right-wing view of the world"
Spot on.
[Snip tl;dr self-deluded diatribe]

The very fact that you cannot ignore a chance to promote right-wing
propaganda is in and of itself proof of your bigotry - go and piss
your life up against a wall somewhere else, people here aren't interested.
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#Paul
2023-10-05 08:13:53 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
The very fact that you cannot ignore a chance to promote right-wing
propaganda is in and of itself proof of your bigotry - go and piss
your life up against a wall somewhere else, people here aren't interested.
Whilst I might perhaps agree with you on the first and second parts
of your remarks, I'm not so sure about the accuracy of the last. :-)

#Paul

JMB99
2023-09-22 06:45:41 UTC
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TRANSLATION:  "propaganda" = "news that doesn't support my bigoted
right-wing view of the world"
Don't forget the LEFT can be just as bigoted and perhaps are more
bigoted as can be seen from the way they call anyone who disagrees with
them 'far right'.
Java Jive
2023-09-22 11:12:55 UTC
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Post by JMB99
TRANSLATION:  "propaganda" = "news that doesn't support my bigoted
right-wing view of the world"
Don't forget the LEFT can be just as bigoted and perhaps are more
bigoted as can be seen from the way they call anyone who disagrees with
them 'far right'.
The left/far left can certainly be bigoted, but, AFAIAA, there's few to
none of them here, or if they are here, they don't feel a need to preach
their politics on every possible occasion.
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Bob Latham
2023-09-22 19:15:53 UTC
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Post by JMB99
Don't forget the LEFT can be just as bigoted and perhaps are more
bigoted as can be seen from the way they call anyone who disagrees
with them 'far right'.
Indeed. I do now see the translation of 'far right' as realist.

Bigot = Not brainwashed and doesn't like bullshit.

The left do seem to feel they have the moral high ground for some
obscure reason and this leads them to think that anything they say to
someone, however nasty is justified as the end justifies the means.

Strange that the left have now completely abandoned the poor and
working people of our country. They just turned their backs on them
and are now only interested in the champagne socialists. Yet they see
themselves as morally superior it's a good trick of self delusion.


Bob.
Java Jive
2023-09-22 20:55:03 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
Post by JMB99
Don't forget the LEFT can be just as bigoted and perhaps are more
bigoted as can be seen from the way they call anyone who disagrees
with them 'far right'.
Indeed. I do now see the translation of 'far right' as realist.
Nobody is more unrealistic in this ng than you, except possibly one
other whom I will not name since mercifully we haven't heard from him in
quite a while.

[snip self-deluded pontification]

Go and pollute some other place.
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Roderick Stewart
2023-09-23 08:41:33 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Roderick Stewart
I can't think of any justification for a licence paid to one
broadcaster for the right to watch other broadcasters' programmes.
Indeed. It's not too dissimilar to a protection racket, you have a
demand for money (with menaces) from a third party which you have to
pay you can go about your chosen business.
Not satisfied with that, they then use the money they've extorted
from you to pump you with propaganda.
TRANSLATION: "propaganda" = "news that doesn't support my bigoted
right-wing view of the world"
Alternatively: "propaganda" = "news carefully selected and/or
described so as to present the broadcasters' bigoted view of the
world, rather than a selection balanced to reflect the truth, from
which viewers can make up their own minds about what they think is
important".

Rod.
Tweed
2023-09-23 09:14:25 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Roderick Stewart
I can't think of any justification for a licence paid to one
broadcaster for the right to watch other broadcasters' programmes.
Indeed. It's not too dissimilar to a protection racket, you have a
demand for money (with menaces) from a third party which you have to
pay you can go about your chosen business.
Not satisfied with that, they then use the money they've extorted
from you to pump you with propaganda.
TRANSLATION: "propaganda" = "news that doesn't support my bigoted
right-wing view of the world"
Alternatively: "propaganda" = "news carefully selected and/or
described so as to present the broadcasters' bigoted view of the
world, rather than a selection balanced to reflect the truth, from
which viewers can make up their own minds about what they think is
important".
Rod.
There are hundreds of news outlets available, of every conceivable shade.
You are free to choose whatever suits you. You are lucky to have that
freedom, many don’t.
Bob Latham
2023-09-23 10:06:44 UTC
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Post by Tweed
There are hundreds of news outlets available, of every conceivable
shade. You are free to choose whatever suits you. You are lucky to
have that freedom, many don‘t.
You are just about still correct. However, evil people are bending
over backwards to kill anything but the mainstream media's propaganda
output. If you don't say the "correct" things you must be silenced.

When free speech dies only tyranny lies ahead.

Bob.
Java Jive
2023-09-23 11:44:30 UTC
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Post by Tweed
There are hundreds of news outlets available, of every conceivable
shade. You are free to choose whatever suits you. You are lucky to
have that freedom, many don‘t.
You are just about still correct. However, evil people are bending
over backwards to kill anything but the mainstream media's propaganda
output. If you don't say the "correct" things you must be silenced.
Puerile paranoia.
Post by Bob Latham
When free speech dies only tyranny lies ahead.
So why do you keep pushing paranoid right-wing propaganda here?
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Andy Burns
2023-09-20 07:45:21 UTC
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Post by Tweed
Public service broadcasters in the United Kingdom are banding together
to create a new streaming service that unifies free linear versions of
broadcast channels and on-demand content in a single experience.
Sounds like the nth time such a service has been promised ...
Brian Gaff
2023-09-20 17:53:19 UTC
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Well, as long as from the outset it can have the accessibility bits that
normal tv has without having to turn it on on every programme you watch as
seems to happen on a lot of streaming programs, and which at the moment many
streaming providers don't even provide. My Samsung tv comes with Samsung tv
plus channels but if any AD is there, I cannot find it since the actual
apps are inaccessible on a tv made in 2020. Hardly old.
Brian
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https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/british-broadcasters-bring-free-linear-channels-freely-streaming-service
Public service broadcasters in the United Kingdom are banding together to
create a new streaming service that unifies free linear versions of
broadcast channels and on-demand content in a single experience.
The service, called Freely, will see dozens of channels from the BBC, ITV,
Channel 4 and Paramount-owned Channel 5 distributed on one service baked
into newer-model smart TVs, starting next year.
Freely is being developed by Everyone TV, a joint venture operated by the
four public broadcasters that also oversees Freeview, the digital broadcast
platform in the U.K., and a similar, satellite-based service called
Freesat.
Between them, Freeview and Freesat offer nearly 200 national television
channels and radio stations through their platforms, while on-demand
content is limited to app-based services like BBC iPlayer, ITVX and the
streaming version of Channel 4. Both Freeview and Freesat offer devices
that marry over-the-air or satellite-delivered linear channels with
streaming services, and the Freeview platform is widely supported on smart
TV sets with an integrated digital tuner.
At the moment, no similar streaming alternative exists: While cable
companies and Comcast's Sky satellite service offer streaming versions of
their platforms, those service charge monthly fees on top of the mandatory
annual television tax that British households and businesses must pay if
they watch or record live broadcast channels. (The television tax, called a
license, primarily funds the BBC's TV and radio channels.) The present-day
situation means those who are increasingly gravitating toward streaming
apps for their linear and on-demand content needs are having to do so by
bouncing around services.
Freely is being designed to remove that friction by offering the same core
channels found on Freeview and Freesat. In doing so, the officials behind
Freely and Everyone TV hopes that Freely replicates the linear content
experience that is already found on the other two services, but without the
need to install an over-the-air antenna or satellite dish.
"This new development is a reflection of the fact that a growing number of
UK viewers are watching content online, but still want easy access to the
shared experience of live TV," Jonathan Thompson, the CEO of Everyone TV,
said in a statement. "Our aim is to ensure that all viewers have access to
a free, aggregated live TV experience that champions British content and is
delivered in a way that suits audience needs and preferences. Every one of
us should be able to share in the best of British ideas and creativity on
TV."
Fewer Watching Linear TV
For the broadcasters, the streaming push is also part of an overall
strategy of survivability: As in other countries, British TV viewers are
increasingly moving away from linear television in favor of
more-convenient
streaming options. A survey released early last year showed around one in
four British TV viewers have abandoned linear television entirely, while
another 25% of TV viewers say they've scaled back how much live TV they're
watching in any given week.
The trend of TV viewers moving away from traditional linear TV transcends
age brackets, with the majority of young viewers between the ages of 18 to
34 saying they're spending at least two hours a day watching streaming
content, while nearly half of those between the ages of 35 and 54 affirming
the same, according to a survey released by The Trade Desk last September.
Meanwhile, 54% of adults aged 35 to 54 are watching less linear TV, the
survey showed.
"The TV landscape is undergoing a transformation that's redefining the
viewing experience, as well as the advertising industry as a result," Dave
Castell, the lead analyst for TV partnerships at The Trade Desk, said in a
statement. "The rise of streaming has ushered in a new model of TV
consumption, in which every content creator is providing the consumer with
choice - and consumers expect to watch what they want, when they want, and
how they want."
The decline in live TV's audience is particularly problematic for ITV and
Channel 4, whose broadcast activities are entirely funded by advertising
(Channel 4 is publicly-owned, but receives no money from the television
license). The same financial headwinds that have impacted advertising rates
in other parts of the world have also caused a slowdown in related revenue
for ITV and Channel 4, as marketers shift their budgets toward connected TV
services.
Proponents of linear television, including Everyone TV, say the broadcast
networks still have something to offer British viewers: Collective cultural
moments that can only be experienced through live TV events like sports
tournaments.
"These national TV moments...are instances of an increasingly rare
circumstance of common cause, often crossing the boundaries of age, class
or enthusiasm," Thompson wrote in a blog post last week. "They are made
accessible and available to all through universally-available, free TV, and
they attract audiences of a magnitude that...are an exception rather than
the rule."
On Monday, executives at the public service broadcasters affirmed the
forthcoming Freely service is intended to help bring the same magic of live
TV to viewers who have married themselves to streaming services.
"Streaming TV is increasingly the new normal for audiences, particularly
young viewers, so it has never been more important for trusted [public
service broadcasting] content to be readily available to everyone, for
free," Alex Mahon, the CEO of Channel 4, said in a statement.
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